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Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:13 pm to cable
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People die. It’s part of life.
The goal is to try and save lives, not sacrifice them. Yes, people die. That doesn't just mean we are supposed to stand by and do nothing about it. No, we don't have to go into financial ruin to save lives. But that doesn't mean we need to Ivan Drago's "If he dies, he dies" approach either.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:16 pm to QJenk
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Ive seen this take multiple times, yet I still don't think I agree with it. We know a lot of people will contract it, that doesn't mean everyone all needs to get it at one time. Besides, the longer we prolong it, the better doctors will understand how to treat at. If I'm someone who may be immunocompromomised, I'd rather catch it in August when doctors have a decent idea of treatnent options that work and treatment options that dont work, rather than contracting it in February and March where doctors were basically throwing shite at the wall to see what sticks. Herd immunity will happen one way or the other. That doesnt mean we have to force it to happen right this moment.
I completely agree. Everyone is so cavalier with other people’s lives, but are likely not willing to sacrifice themselves. Im 42, I’m sure I’d be fine. But I’d prefer my parents not die in their late 60s if they don’t have to, prefer my kids get more time to make memories with both sets of grandparents, etc...Nobody’s jumping on the grenade themselves, but I’d also prefer they not throw my loved ones on it before absolutely necessary. Buying time can only help—there will be innovations in both prevention and treatment.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:27 pm to StTiger
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Who will build it? Who will pay for it?
Have to think it would have been cheaper for the government to fund this rather than send out all of the money they have as a result of the shutdown.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:31 pm to SlidellCajun
Vegas was open well into March with visitors from all over the country and the world, crammed together next to each other at tables sharing chips and cards, passing cash, pulling slot handles, etc.
Literally no outbreak in Las Vegas
Can anyone explain? Why is it not mentioned by the media or any politician?
Literally no outbreak in Las Vegas
Can anyone explain? Why is it not mentioned by the media or any politician?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:39 pm to Eighteen
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Can anyone explain? Why is it not mentioned by the media or any politician?
Because a vast majority of those crammed people on the strip are tourist? And the incubation period of 2-14 days likely means they are home by the time they may have symptoms?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:39 pm to StTiger
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Because a vast majority of those crammed people on the strip are tourist? And the incubation period of 2-14 days likely means they are home by the time they may have symptoms?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:44 pm to Eighteen
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Literally no outbreak in Las Vegas
Over 3k cases and 140 deaths in Las Vegas =/= literally no.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:44 pm to Eighteen
Las Vegas and it's county also have nearly as many cases as the rest of the state combined. Sorry you don't know how to look at stuff logically
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:52 pm to StTiger
This is true to an extend. The purpose of social distancing is not to stop the virus, it is to make sure that the healthcare system is not overrun. That has been accomplished. Now time for a measured return.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:55 pm to TigerCruise
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Sorry was typing with one hand while finger banging your mom and couldn't hear myself think.
She’s 72 and widowed. She told me to tell you thanks. Also wanted to know what time you’ll be around tomorrow.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:02 pm to High C
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Wait, is it too soon to make bat jokes?
Wait, is it too soon to make bat jokes?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:03 pm to cwil177
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have never heard this take before. Thanks for sharin
No one ever articulated is as well as I have ??
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:07 pm to LNCHBOX
What? Of course not, that’s the whole point.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:10 pm to Hat Tricks
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Have to think it would have been cheaper for the government to fund this rather than send out all of the money they have as a result of the shutdown.
Maybe, so let's take away a few billion from the corporations instead and working on building one dedicated hospital in each major city with a population exceeding...100k? Sound good?
Still doesn't explain how'd we get it done in a reasonable time. And if you do one per major city... Plus you need to man power to get it done quick... Then you probably need to offer increased pay to get those workers and work on mitigating outbreaks among the workers...
So according to Google, there are 335 cities with over 100k and an additional 14 with over 1 mil, so 2 hospitals for them, for a total of 363, let's round up to 375 new hospitals to be built in 2 weeks time.
Let's move the current infected from 0.2% (800k/400m) to 0.6% and that's now 2.4m. that's another 1.6m infected. Keeping the current national hospitalization rate of 15%, thats 240k or 640 per new hospital.
According to RS means, a 55,000 sq ft hospital would cost about 16mil for a 2-3 story hospital. According to healthcare design magazine, 2500 sqft per bed is the bench mark, so per major city and 375 hospitals and 640 beds per hospital, we'd need a 1.6m sq ft building and extrapolating the RS means data, it's $290 per sq ft, lets round down to $250.
That's 400m per hospital. Or 150 billion
So let some hedge funds fail.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to QJenk
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Herd immunity will happen one way or the other. That doesnt mean we have to force it to happen right this moment.
Sure it does if it means salvaging our economy so that people aren’t forced into financial ruin over the remote chance that they’ll catch a virus and an even less chance of dying.
We have accepted a death rate for lots of things in America. The flu, cancer, hepatitis, automobiles, guns. The flu is less than .3% death rate and it has a vaccine. I’d say corona is around 1% without a vaccine. Lung cancer is higher in smokers yet we allow people to smoke.
Death by gunshot is higher when guns are in the house yet they’re legal to own.
We have accepted these risks and we live however we choose to live while mitigating those risks however we choose.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to SlidellCajun
You late as frick to this conversation


Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:13 pm to QJenk
quote:You would rather catch it when it isn’t the only respiratory illness running rampant?
I'd rather catch it in August
That is not very smart.
We need to address the peak now, when it is the only communicable disease we have to worry about.
You know what would make this situation infinitely worse?
Having continued to push addressing the situation back to the point when the flu starts making its appearance.
And we will really be fricked if it’s a bad one this year.
quote:Well, we need to force it sooner rather than later because the longer you wait, the more issues arise.
That doesnt mean we have to force it to happen right this moment.
Now is the best time for it.
The only thing we really worry about is trauma.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:18 pm to SlidellCajun
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Lung cancer is higher in smokers yet we allow people to smoke.
Because tobacco lobby
And also lung cancer is not contagious
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Death by gunshot is higher when guns are in the house yet they’re legal to own.
Also lobby
Technically contagious?
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