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re: So who else here thinks ADHD in children is bullsh*t??
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:54 am to madmaxvol
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:54 am to madmaxvol
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ADHD medication can truly help a child...but it is something that can be used in conjunction with cognitive therapy (when the therapy isn't enough). Always start with behavioral therapy and coping mechanisms first...but to be completely dismissive about the biochemistry of the brain is short sighted.
This is what blows my mind. There is a massive difference in brain function and it shows definitively on a scan.
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:57 am to Gaston
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I never studied, ever, until my 3rd year of physics at LSU. I had to go to Nicholson at night and physically make myself work problems ALL NIGHT. I’d just go up to conference room and use the chalkboards and do my best to crank through it all. I’d sleep on my book, or walk the halls, or who knows what and then I’d get back to it. All night twice a week, just physically hand my work in a daze around campus until I was done with classes. I didn’t know how to study, how to focus, how to even go about figuring out how to. I’m sure I did it wrong. Never thought about looking for help.
That appears to be off subject. There are plenty of people who don't know how to study, and it doesn't have anything to do with brain chemistry. There are plenty of people who know how to study...but their brain chemistry creates a level of difficulty that greatly inhibits their ability to function in a way that conforms to societal requirements.
You can not know how to study and not have ADHD. You can have great study skills, but not be able to focus because of ADHD. Skill and ADHD are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:58 am to Marciano1
In most cases the kids just need to learn to focus, but in my 13 years of teaching I've had about 10 kids who 100% need to be medicated to function. Their eyes and thoughts are ALLLL OVER all the time. They can't sit still, and get very frustrated b/c they know what to do but can't do it correctly. Really, it's been about 10 kids out of around 1,000 I've taught.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:59 am to HogBalls
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So who else here thinks ADHD in children is bullsh*t??
I suspect there's a real condition that ADHD is based upon but that roughly 99.9% of the people you've ever met who said their kids were ADHD did NOT have ADHD kids.
They just needed drugs to replace parenting
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:59 am to HogBalls
Well my kid has it. So that's real.
Everyone else's kid is faking and is mis-diagnosed.
Everyone else's kid is faking and is mis-diagnosed.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:59 am to madmaxvol
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Let's do the same thing with environmental allergies. Sure, your immune system is hypersensitive to something...but if you can just learn to cope with it instead of taking an antihistamine, you will be much better off. Am I right?
With most allergies, being exposed to them in small doses is actually one of the better ways to have your body learn to cope.
... I am not referring to allergies that can be life threatening - of which I have one.
I had a good friend growing up who was diagnosed as ADHD. Was he hyper? Absolutely. Could parental structure have given him a way to learn to cope? Absolutely.
My sister was diagnosed post college as ADHD and she did excellent in school/college/grad school despite being hyperactive.
The way we came up with ADHD medication was a pure accident where the drug was noted to improve kids behavior when they were trying to treat for headaches.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:01 pm to ShortyRob
I should add that I've known MANY supposedly ADHD kids and whether they really were or weren't, one thing was true in EVERY case
Their parents used it to COMPLETELY absolve themselves of actual parenting.
Even assuming the kid is actually ADHD, just completely abandoning parenting is only making matters WORSE!
Their parents used it to COMPLETELY absolve themselves of actual parenting.
Even assuming the kid is actually ADHD, just completely abandoning parenting is only making matters WORSE!
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:01 pm to macaronithepony
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Oh I agree with you I was just trying to explain that GOOD doctors just don't drug kids up. They actually want to help the child in life.
I was blessed with amazing doctors at LSU when I went through my diagnosis.
I went from C's to a 4.0 in 2 years.
Quit taking my adderall senior year, my grades dropped to a 3.4 and I had trouble controlling my impulses, caused some serious anger and anxiety issues that continued for years. When I started it again in my 20's it changed my life.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:03 pm to ShortyRob
And, let's be honest. NO ONE really believes there are as many ADHD kids as are diagnosed in the US.
And, EVERYONE knows that parents doctor shop. So, if one won't give them drugs for their kids, they just keep going till they find one that will.
And, EVERYONE knows that parents doctor shop. So, if one won't give them drugs for their kids, they just keep going till they find one that will.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:05 pm to madmaxvol
Just saying I have no idea about my brain chemistry or what qualifies as normal. Just because I didn’t look for help didn’t mean I didn’t need it...you’re acting like those who have ADHD have some internal knowledge of it. Who knows how other people’s brain work? I never thought concentration was something we are born with, I figured I was just smart enough not to need it. I should be working....
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:07 pm to Spelt it rong
My daughter is ADHD and dyslexic. My wife is in education (district level;no Summers off) and was very against medicating her. We tried all the behavioral crap and all natural remedies and nothing worked. My daughter's diet is fairly healthy for a kid. We have her now on a very low dosage of Vyvanse and it has worked wonders. We do agree that it is extremely over diagnosed which is why we tried not medicating at first and saw multiple doctors before making a decision.
Each child is different.
Each child is different.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:08 pm to ShortyRob
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And, let's be honest. NO ONE really believes there are as many ADHD kids as are diagnosed in the US.
And, EVERYONE knows that parents doctor shop. So, if one won't give them drugs for their kids, they just keep going till they find one that will.
You've seen my stance in the thread and I absolutely agree with it being overdiagnosed. Saying that, an average of 5% of children in studies show definitive ADHD through brain scans. That isn't arguable, the scans don't lie.
I would say that MAYBE 1% of parents doctor shop for that reason, so I feel like that isn't as big of a deal as assumed.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:09 pm to madmaxvol
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.but being able to tune out the things that your mind isn't otherwise able to tune out greatly offsets that aspect.
I don't know a damn thing about ADD or ADHD. But tuning shite out and focussing and being still are learned skills. Ones that a lot of people are no longer patient enough to teach.
I see it all the time, parents are just too lazy to teach kids how to behave, how to study, how to focus.
I'm not saying ADD or ADHD aren't real, but the being overdiagnosed is a real problem.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:09 pm to WaydownSouth
quote:Addiction for most, but Scruffy will admit, not all.
Scruffy what is your opinion on older adults, I’m talking like 60 plus taking adderall/vyvanse etc?
They have been on it for so long they can’t function without it.
Same thing many of us have in regards to coffee. Scruffy doesn’t feel top when he wakes up and doesn’t have his cup of joe.
quote:We are a heavily overmedicated society.
It blows my mind. And always, if I look down their profile, I find a script for Ambien or Lunesta. I know why you can’t sleep, its because your guzzling down 30mg of adderall twice a day
We believe there is a pill form of a cure for everything.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:12 pm to GeauxOCDP
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You've seen my stance in the thread and I absolutely agree with it being overdiagnosed. Saying that, an average of 5% of children in studies show definitive ADHD through brain scans. That isn't arguable, the scans don't lie.
Well, the number of currently diagnosed AND on medication is well over 12% so, obviously, we have a problem. Given that it is unlikely that 100% of those who do have it have been diagnosed, we are looking at likely a 3:1 "bullshite:Real" ratio.
And, that's before we get to the reality that not ALL ADHD is bad enough to need drugs. This means, there's a pretty decent chance that for every kid we are drugging that really NEEDS it, there's a pretty good chance that at least 4 are just being drugged to keep them in line.
Finally, I'm sorry. No. Everything written on the subject says that parents doctor shop like mother frickers. Mental health professionals actually complain about it publicly.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:12 pm to lsu1919
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I see it all the time, parents are just too lazy to teach kids how to behave, how to study, how to focus.
I'm not saying ADD or ADHD aren't real, but the beieng overdiagnosed is a real problem.
That's easy to say, but you can't "teach" an ADHD child these things. It's a direct result of their brain chemistry. My son has been taught how to behave, he is an amazingly sweet and friendly kid, but focus isn't something you can just inject into their brain to fix the imbalance.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:13 pm to HogBalls
My deal with it is that I'm one of the most ADHD people I know, but I did not take medication for it until I was around 16 years old. I think most can function without it until a certain point in life.
ETA: Of course my parents probably struggled to keep me on task, but they tried every other resource possible before we resulted to medication and when I turned 18 it became my choice if I wanted to continue taking it. I do my very best to get through each day without it, but there are many days yes I have no choice but to take it.
I plan on taking my parents same approach to it with my kids. They let me learn how to cope with it in ways other than just medication [like playing on tigerdroppings] and I feel like that's made me a better person.
ETA: Of course my parents probably struggled to keep me on task, but they tried every other resource possible before we resulted to medication and when I turned 18 it became my choice if I wanted to continue taking it. I do my very best to get through each day without it, but there are many days yes I have no choice but to take it.
I plan on taking my parents same approach to it with my kids. They let me learn how to cope with it in ways other than just medication [like playing on tigerdroppings
] and I feel like that's made me a better person.This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:13 pm to CivilTiger83
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With most allergies, being exposed to them in small doses is actually one of the better ways to have your body learn to cope.
Yep...that's why I mentioned cognitive therapy. When you give allergy shots...you still have them on antihistamines for years while their immune system learns to adjust. You don't say, "well Timmy...sure it's hard for you to breathe now. Just wait 3 years until the shots take effect and you'll be fine. Just throw your Zyrtec in the trash and tough it out".
quote:Neither am I.
I am not referring to allergies that can be life threatening - of which I have one.
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I had a good friend growing up who was diagnosed as ADHD. Was he hyper? Absolutely. Could parental structure have given him a way to learn to cope? Absolutely.
My sister was diagnosed post college as ADHD and she did excellent in school/college/grad school despite being hyperactive.
Thank goodness all cases of everything in humans is exactly identical. That's why one medication treats everything the same. Because your friend and sister had one experience, it must be identical for everyone else. That is why Cancer is so easy to treat. Everybody's body acts exactly the same. (ETA...this is sarcasm)...
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The way we came up with ADHD medication was a pure accident where the drug was noted to improve kids behavior when they were trying to treat for headaches.
Fleming was working on something to treat Spanish Flu when he discovered Penicillin.
The anti-depressant Iproniazid was created to treat Tuberculosis.
LSD was discovered in an effort to treat postpartum hemorrhaging.
Viagra was initially a treatment for hypertension, angina and jetlag.
Rogaine was a treatment for high blood pressure.
The first cancer chemotherapy drugs were derived from Mustard Gas.
Many current medications and treatments were discovered by pure accident.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:13 pm to lsu1919
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I don't know a damn thing about ADD or ADHD. But tuning shite out and focussing and being still are learned skills. Ones that a lot of people are no longer patient enough to teach.
I see it all the time, parents are just too lazy to teach kids how to behave, how to study, how to focus.
And, as I pointed out earlier.
Even assuming the kid in question is ADHD, WAAAAAY too many parents seem to use this as a universal, "welp, awesome, now I don't even have to TRY to parent in this area".
Then, they blame ALL of the natural effects of a lack of parenting on the ADHD too!
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:14 pm to GeauxOCDP
Did it mess with his athletic ability?
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