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re: So the Australia climate change fires were helped along by arsonists

Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:11 am to
Posted by Logician
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:11 am to
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I don't know what morons are blaming the start of the fires on climate change (probably no one)
yea probably no one

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51003814

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Actor Russell Crowe has used his winner's speech at the Golden Globes to raise awareness of the deadly bushfire crisis in Australia. "Make no mistake. The tragedy unfolding in Australia is climate change-based," he said in a message read out on stage by show host Jennifer Aniston.


now that it's been debunked, the narrative has quickly shifted to "climate change may not have caused it, but it's supercharging it!"
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:12 am to
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count for what, exactly?


quote:

and I don't know what morons are blaming the start of the fires on climate change (probably no one
Posted by Logician
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Member since Jul 2013
4958 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:13 am to
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Cause of spark: most likely humans
Cause of spread: climate change

lol and there it is
Posted by Placebeaux
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:13 am to
How do we sleep while the beds are burning
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:35 am to
quote:

"Make no mistake. The tragedy unfolding in Australia is climate change-based,"


so still no one has said the climate change caused the start of the fires?

cool

glad you guys keep proving my point

quote:

now that it's been debunked, the narrative has quickly shifted to "climate change may not have caused it, but it's supercharging it!"



this has literally always been the narrative
Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:37 am to
How can you be so wrong on everything?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:39 am to
interesting thread for that comment when I'm 100% right on this

I mean...even the people trying to argue with me continually post links literally proving my point

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66869 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:00 pm to
Nah, you got busted and you're squirming.

And to the a-hole who said most who were arrested were for careless cigarette butts or campfires.
quote:

Almost 100 firebugs have deliberately started blazes across Queensland that have destroyed homes and consumed thousands of hectares of bushland.
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As firefighters remained on high alert, police revealed 103 of the destructive fires that had lashed Queensland since September were deliberately lit.

Figures obtained by AAP revealed police had dealt with 98 people - 31 adults and 67 juveniles - for deliberately setting fires.
Brisbane Times

So, they were started AND spread AND exacerbated AND your mom's a stupid whore -

- by arsonists
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:03 pm to
This is actually a really cool reason the fire is so bad - i know that wording sounds bad but check out this link.

LINK

The fire is so hot and big that when the hot air rises it essentially creates a massive fire / thunderstorm that makes the winds start whipping around, spreading coals and even creates lightning strikes which spark additional fires.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7882 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:10 pm to
I think the point is this (bushfires) has been happening way before people were ever around adding CO2 to the atmosphere. People are naturally skeptical when other people start blaming humans for something that has always occurred naturally and is a big part of the Australian ecosystem and always has been
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:17 pm to
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helped along by arsonists


I'd go with, planned and executed by eco-terrorists
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86726 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:22 pm to
how exactly did I get “busted”?
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:32 pm to
Climate change caused by man—Fake news

Rape culture on college campuses—Fake news

Rampant racism towards people of “color”—Fake news

Trump is a big meanie head— Fake news
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

The fire is so hot and big that when the hot air rises it essentially creates a massive fire / thunderstorm that makes the winds start whipping around, spreading coals and even creates lightning strikes which spark additional fires.


Damn, those arsonists must be really skilled at at starting fires to make this happen.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66869 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 3:43 pm to
Or maybe it's the the "green" laws preventing controlled burns that they've always used to prevent this from happening.

This guy seems to agree
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 3:54 pm to
When there are big fires like they have been having in Australia and like they do in California. Since they happen in dry areas I automatically assume they were started one of two ways.

- Arson
- Lightening

Fires just don't pop up. Is this what some people claimed happened?
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:00 pm to
Well I guess I'm the only one who thought massive dry lightning storms caused by a firestorm was kind of cool.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7882 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:42 pm to
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Or maybe it's the the "green" laws preventing controlled burns that they've always used to prevent this from happening.

This guy seems to agree



Would love to have a beer or 8 with that guy
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
45316 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:11 pm to
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not all of Australia is a desert 

much of these fires are currently in the Blue Mountains, which are quite temperate


I have been to the Blue Mountains three times in the last decade. It is an immense area that has isolated fires pretty regularly. As a matter of fact, it was easy to see the remnants of one while we were there two years ago. It was pretty dry that July.
A drought simply exacerbates things. Is it "climate change?"...who knows. Next year, we may be discussing the floods in Australia (and how climate change caused those too). It is ashamed though, it is a beautiful area with some good people.
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