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Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:02 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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A moderate mean flu season in the US is 30k-40k over a 6-7 month period.
We're at 40k in one month. You can deny it all you want, but the your feelings that it's just the flu don't conform with the facts. It's completely ok to be wrong.
Na more like 40-60k for a mean flu in 6-7 months. COVID has near 40k in 3 months with new estimates of 60k ish total.
And again i have continuously been arguing thats with significant reduction in severity of those flu cases from vaccinations. ~60% ICU reductions among those vaccinated. It’s a similar severity we just have much better mitigation in place for influenza. Sorry your feelings dont line up with facts, its ok to be completely wrong sometimes tho.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:14 pm to Volvagia
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And you’ve already established that a 40% mitigation is profound with flu from your perspective. I guess that doesn’t carry over to the over side of the equation. It’s all either 100% effective or useless.
... what, this isnt coherent. It’s 60% reduction in ICU admissions, during the course of the season. Social distancing does nothing of the sort, it just spreads out the timeline.
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Because the idea falls through without that given. So if you go out 3 times in a week to get groceries in that time period, it’s the same as going out 20+ times Got it.
Absolutely it does. Because the whole COVID season isnt 2 weeks. It’s several months. All distancing does is spread out the infections over the several months instead of being more up front. Flatten the curve doesnt reduce area under the curve. When you do get infected 2 months later the virus is the exact same severity it would have been the first 2 weeks.
This isnt manufacturing a straw man and extreme hyperbolic exaggerations that people arent legit quarantining lmao. It’s just reality. New York still running subways and trains. There is no legit quarantine in reality like you are imagining.
Vaccines actually mitigate severity of the flu. Staying inside and catching COVID 2 months from now is still the same severity. You are still just as likely to die from your COVID infection in march or september.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:16 pm to AMS
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COVID has near 40k in 3 months
If we're going by first US death, it's been a little over 1 and a half months. If we're going by the last 30 days, it's ~38850. Can you link to the last seasonal flu outbreak that resulted in 35k lab confirmed deaths in a single 30 day period?
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It’s a similar severity we just have much better mitigation in place for influenza.
Link? The United states has taken extreme measures to limit new cases. MUCH more extreme than a voluntary flu shot that only around half the population gets.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:18 pm to Hot Carl
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No doctor has ever bugged you to get the flu vaccine. They bug you to get the flu shot. Not the same thing, though I am not qualified to explain the difference.
You already know you weren't qualified to speak on this yet you did.
The "flu shot" is 100% a vaccine.
"Influenza vaccines, also known as flu shots or flu jabs, are vaccines that protect against infection by influenza viruses."
I quoted Wiki because they keep the words small.
The fact your rant about something you don't understand on even the most fundamental level at the time of my posting had garnered 14 UVs which says a tremendous amount about the general ignorance of tOT when it comes to matters like this.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:25 pm to Strannix
Strannix the absolute Patriot 
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
From first hand experience I can tell you the rona is nothing like I have ever seen with flu. I’ve seen a hand full of people die of the flu, but virulence and rapidity with which covid kills is more dramatic. I’ve seen More carnage in the last month than I have in the last year
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:35 pm to greenhead11
Details girlfriend
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:40 pm to AMS
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You are still just as likely to die from your COVID infection in march or september.
Let's say you are an at-risk person. Would you prefer to get Covid in week 1 of hospitals figuring out how to deal with it, or week 24?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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What are you talking about? I literally provided pages worth of the exact opposite when you accused me of this all the way back during the Comey testimony nearly 2 years ago.
Is that when you apologized to the board for being a little too drunk the night before?
You are FOS. I wouldn’t listen to a word you say. You are constantly and forever wrong. And argumentative.
Now, link some more bullshite for the sheep to follow. You will be proven wrong...again.
ETA None of us know what the end numbers will look like. But I will guarantee you: it’s not what you are thinking.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:44 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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we're going by first US death, it's been a little over 1 and a half months
Why would we start at first death? Most infected are asymptomatic. It incubates for 2 weeks, and even then takes a few days to be fatal. It’s been here for more than 2 months we just didnt track deaths until a bit over 1.5 months ago.
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Link? The United states has taken extreme measures to limit new cases. MUCH more extreme than a voluntary flu shot that only around half the population gets
Limiting the rate of new cases =/= limiting total cases. Flatten the curve is about the rate, not total amount. I’m not saying the social distance and shutdowns arent more extreme measures than vaccinations/treatments for flu... I’m saying the flu vaccines are more significant measures for severity of the disease. Because social distancing doesnt do anything for disease severity.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:45 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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We're at 40k in one month.
This is bullshite. It’s been around a lot longer.
You’ve been hiding under your bed for about a month though.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Let's say you are an at-risk person. Would you prefer to get Covid in week 1 of hospitals figuring out how to deal with it, or week 24?
Considering treatment is supportive, the treatment would have been the same. Week 1 or 24 doesnt impact how much COVID will Wreck me. Flu vaccines do significantly impact severity tho. As much as reducing need for icu beds by 60% among those infected.
I’m not saying social distancing is useless, it slows the rate down for sure. but doesnt touch severity. for the bajillionth time, I am just saying vaccines for flu are much more significant mitigation, than delaying COVID.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:49 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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The United states has taken extreme measures to limit new cases.
How are you going to spin that statement into omb?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:52 pm to noonan
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How are you going to spin that statement into omb?
He already has. In this thread. Trump was Bad Man because he fell for all of this!
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Imagine voting for the guy who got cucked by fauci and crashed the economy. What a dumbfrick lol
LINK
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:52 pm to AMS
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I’m saying the flu vaccines are more significant measures for severity of the disease. Because social distancing doesnt do anything for disease severity.
In a vacuum, no. In reality, the person who get's the treatment that's been tried and vetted on hundreds or thousands of patients has a better shot than the person who is being used as the guinea pig because the medical community doesn't have enough time/resources/data to flesh out the best way to treat someone.
Severity may be the same regardless of when you get it. Outcome could be completely different though.
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we just didnt track deaths until a bit over 1.5 months ago.
So how many would you think is a fair addition to the death total? We're at over 35k lab confirmed deaths in the US.
Can you link the last time there were 35k lab confirmed influenza deaths in a single 30 day period?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:53 pm to AMS
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Considering treatment is supportive, the treatment would have been the same.
At first glance this is true, however we are learning a lot day to day and week to week. I can say things we were doing week 1 are not what we are doing now exactly. We are better at managing this disease.
With time we can development a vaccine hopefully and an effective treatment, tho that may be more difficult.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:55 pm to noonan
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How are you going to spin that statement into omb?
I've supported Trump's position on this disease and his response to it for going on 2 months now. Sorry to disappoint.
It's the OP and people like Errerrerrwere who have melted over his response.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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It's the OP and people like Errerrerrwere who have melted over his response.
Your hair has been on fire for a month now!
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
You have sarcastically posted about this thing for a solid month
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