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re: Shoulder surgery cost...bananas.

Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
22072 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:36 am to
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Another one who doesn’t understand how medical billing works.


Explain those costs to me like I'm 5.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4908 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:37 am to
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at the Andrews Institute (Dr. James Andrews' facility) in Gulf Breeze Fl.


Do people choose to purchase a BMW instead of a Honda & then complain that it’s expensive?
Posted by PCRammer
1725 Slough Avenue in Scranton, PA
Member since Jan 2014
1452 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:38 am to
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drives off in 70k truck or suv. merica

meh...more like 43 but I get the point
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2869 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:38 am to
Jim almost did my rt shoulder when I was in HS and he was at the Hughston Clinic in Col, Ga.
Wish I had gone through with it then.

And consider yourself lucky…
I just had my left shoulder replaced for the second time. Reverse replacement this time around.
The final damage? $227,468 ……or $130,000 more than the first replacement 6 yrs ago.


Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2043 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:41 am to
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let us know when your ultimate portion is 350 dollars or less

but what is his monthly health insurance premium?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56352 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:42 am to
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its not really the cost of healthcare because the billed amount that goes to insurance is no where close to what the actual reimbursement will be.
what if you don’t have insurance
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40559 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:43 am to
lol good one
Posted by PCRammer
1725 Slough Avenue in Scranton, PA
Member since Jan 2014
1452 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:45 am to
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Do people choose to purchase a BMW instead of a Honda & then complain that it’s expensive?

While true you can walk in that place on any day of the week and see someone like Lindsay Vonn or a Manning but they treat the everyday person on the reg.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4908 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:48 am to
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they treat the everyday person on the reg.


For a premium price
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1604 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:48 am to
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I don't understand either. How exactly does it work. Physician/Surgery Center sends over a monopoly money quote, insurance company says we'll pay $X, surgery center says, "sounds good, thanks."? What is the purpose of the insane bill sent to the insurance company? Just a game to see what they will/won't pay? Padding the bill to get more money out of insurance?


And don’t forget your out of pocket cost too. Always a joy.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted by patnuh
South LA
Member since Sep 2005
6726 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:51 am to
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mean does any normal person? I get that will be negotiated down between the ins company and the Dr/surgery center but the fact it even starts that high is ridiculous.


My stepdad had heart surgery, called with a question about his bill - not an issue, just a clarification- and they immediately dropped the cost by $7k.
Posted by WuShock
Metairie
Member since Aug 2018
1316 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:01 pm to
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What is the purpose of the insane bill sent to the insurance company? Just a game to see what they will/won't pay? Padding the bill to get more money out of insurance?

Insurance companies pay a percentage of the gross charges. Whatever percentage the facility/clinic negotiates in their contracts is what is paid by the insurance, with some contractual information set aside to cover specific types of procedures. Most of the gross charges are inflated because Medicare pays at a low enough percentage that they have to be inflated for hospitals and clinics to have any revenue.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70967 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:11 pm to
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at the Andrews Institute


Unless you're an athlete, why the frick would you go here?
Posted by SeaBass23
VA
Member since Jul 2019
1587 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:11 pm to
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So I had a labrum tear and bicep tenodesis (relocation of the bicep tendon) fixed last week at the Andrews Institute (Dr. James Andrews' facility) in Gulf Breeze Fl. Operation lasted 70 minutes. Guess how much the claim that went to my insurance company was.


I had the same surgery. The surgeon told me he had the same injury when he was trying to keep his boat from hitting the pier. Said he would have been better off buying a new boat than he would have injuring his shoulder and not being able to perform surgery.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97649 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:14 pm to
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Another one who doesn’t understand how medical billing works.


People that do medical billing don’t understand medical billing
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
1292 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:17 pm to
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Insurance companies pay a percentage of the gross charges.


False. Billing is DRG based
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113970 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:22 pm to
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Another one who doesn’t understand how medical billing works.



Why does a hospital charge $30 per Tylenol extra strength without even telling you how much its going to cost when someone can go get a bottle of 100 for about $12? They make $2988 on a bottle of Tylenol (that's not including the fact they probably get it at wholesale prices)
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7540 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:30 pm to
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So I had a labrum tear and bicep tenodesis (relocation of the bicep tendon) fixed last week


I had labrum tear, frayed rotator cuff, same bicep tendon repair, and bone spurs shaved down in November of '21.
Didn't cost anywhere near that amount.

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Andrews Institute


that explains it.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7540 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:31 pm to
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I have this as well. Contemplating on if I want to get it fixed or not.


how bad does it affect your day to day life?

I suffered for a little over 12 years before getting it done.
the surgery itself isn't bad. the rehab is a bitch.
it's been over 2 years and I still don't have my full range of motion (and likely never will)
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3141 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:32 pm to
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The andrews institute in Pensacola is super expensive in general because so many pro athletes have paid ridiculous money to get surgery there. My arthroscopic shoulder procedure was no more than $15,000 without insurance. The idea of paying $50,000+ for shoulder surgery is absurd unless you’re a multi-millionaire who has hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of disposable income


Depends on how bad your shoulder is.
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