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re: Should Men Be able to Opt out of Fatherhood?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to Hog on the Hill
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If the father opts out, there's a child who is going to go unsupported (at least partially, since there's no father taking responsibility for the life he brought into the world).
if I bring a child into this world, I'm accepting that responsibility that there is a chance that I may have to raise this child alone
why should it be different for others? especially women?
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to dcrews
quote:It's pretty easy to avoid getting a woman pregnant. Don't cum in her. Again, if you don't want to be a father, you can avoid it very easily.
Versus 18 years of forced financial obligations on the father.
Seems a bit disproportionate.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:46 am to anc
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Should Men Be able to Opt out of Fatherhood?
This law would put more pressure on single mothers trying to raise a child. Likely this would effect the poorest people. This would be a shitty law in America.
ETA: I think if Men are equally supporting the child then they should have equal time rights to the child as long as its not an inconvenience or hindrance to the child
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 9:48 am
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:46 am to TheCaterpillar
Well child support laws need to be revised altogether, but no lawmaker will touch them. Yes, you should support the children you agreed to having. No, you shouldn't have to give half your paycheck to a woman that doesn't do the right thing for her child. Yes, you should be able to quit your 12 hour a day job so you can spend more time with your children and no you shouldn't have to pay child support on the amount you could be earning had you kept that 12 hour a day job. shite like this is why men just give up and say frick it, throw me in jail if you want but I'm not working my arse off to have to sign over half my hard earned money to a bitch that blows it all on herself instead of the child.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:47 am to TheCaterpillar
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And I know abortion haters will hate what I'm about to say, but if the man puts on legal record BEFORE the acceptable abortion "period" is over for the woman that he doesn't want to have this kid and is absolved of a portion of the costs, maybe all these women would more strongly consider the abortion route.
I'm certainly against abortion (I dislike the term pro-life, btw), but this is 100% true. And this is why we should want this kind of decision coming BEFORE they get into the sack, rather than as some reaction after getting in the sack. Instead of "strongly considering the abortion route," we should get them to "strongly consider the sex route" in the first place?
Maybe then as a culture we don't have to try make decision about when something is a life or not, because that's something we can never truly know, either in spiritual or a scientific sense.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:47 am to Salmon
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if I bring a child into this world, I'm accepting that responsibility that there is a chance that I may have to raise this child alone
Technically the mother can abort her responsibilities without any input or consent from either the child or the father.
The father doesn't have that right.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:48 am to Hog on the Hill
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The child's rights should outweigh the father's rights to opt out.
Why the father's but not the mother's?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:48 am to DaTroof
quote:I would definitely support legislation that does a better job of ensuring that child support payments are actually used to support the child.
Well child support laws need to be revised altogether, but no lawmaker will touch them. Yes, you should support the children you agreed to having. No, you shouldn't have to give half your paycheck to a woman that doesn't do the right thing for her child. Yes, you should be able to quit your 12 hour a day job so you can spend more time with your children and no you shouldn't have to pay child support on the amount you could be earning had you kept that 12 hour a day job. shite like this is why men just give up and say frick it, throw me in jail if you want but I'm not working my arse off to have to sign over half my hard earned money to a bitch that blows it all on herself instead of the child.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:48 am to dewster
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Technically the mother can abort her responsibilities without any input or consent from either the child or the father.
The father doesn't have that right.
I'm aware...
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:50 am to dewster
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Why the father's but not the mother's?
This is all predicated on abortion being legal, which it is. Its two different arguments.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:50 am to Hog on the Hill
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The child's rights should outweigh the father's rights to opt out.
In a society where abortion is legal, the child has no rights. It's sad but true.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:52 am to barry
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This is all predicated on abortion being legal, which it is. Its two different arguments.
Not to turn this into an pro life vs pro choice debate....but the fact that abortion is legal does hand over disproportionate reproductive rights to the mother.
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In a society where abortion is legal, the child has no rights.
Neither does the father.
I say this as a person who is absolutely disgusted with deadbeats.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:52 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
It's pretty easy to avoid getting a woman pregnant. Don't cum in her. Again, if you don't want to be a father, you can avoid it very easily.
Oh I completely agree.
However, if a woman can simply decide to have her unborn child killed because she doesn't want to be a parent, why can't a man decide he doesn't want to be a parent?
Women seem to get an unfair share of "rights" for only 9 months of their time versus the man who is forcefully obligated financially for 216 months.
ETA: For the record, I don't think a woman should abort her baby and I don't think a man should walk out on his unborn/born child.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:55 am to Salmon
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and if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, don't let a man inside of her
it truly is that simple
, no. It would be like letting a stranger in your house and then that person shoots you in the stomach with a revolver. You're saying the stranger and the victim are equally responsible, because although the stranger pulled the trigger, the victim shares in the blame equally for letting them in the house.
It doesn't work that way, or at least it shouldn't.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:55 am to Hog on the Hill
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I would definitely support legislation that does a better job of ensuring that child support payments are actually used to support the child.
These laws desperately need to be revisited, but lawmakers won't do what they are voted in to do. There needs to be clear cap on child support amounts. Sorry but no woman that chooses to sit on her arse all day should be getting $10K a month just because daddy makes big bank. Women get pregnant all the time and bring children into this world for very selfish reasons. They know that once they have that child that man is locked into supporting not only the child but the mother as well. The current laws state that the child should have an equal lifestyle at both homes. That's complete bullshite. It means that the higher earning parent has to bring the whole damn household of the lower earning parent up to their lifestyle standard, simply because they have a child together. It's wrong and it causes more problems than it will ever solve.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:55 am to barry
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This is all predicated on abortion being legal, which it is
correct
and as long as the woman has a legal opt out, so should the man
the woman doesn't want to raise a child on her own? either choose better partners or don't have sex
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:56 am to slackster
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It would be like letting a stranger in your house and then that person shoots you in the stomach with a revolver
Yeah that's not at all how this works.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:56 am to DaTroof
Another thing, if a law like this would be enacted, I'm fairly certain the poorest mothers would be the most affected and guess who would be left to help pick up the bill because some shitty dude couldn't keep his shite in his pants? Ding Ding, the taxpayers...
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:57 am to anc
What's so hard about using protection? Trashy fricks 
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:57 am to slackster
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It would be like letting a stranger in your house and then that person shoots you in the stomach with a revolver. You're saying the stranger and the victim are equally responsible, because although the stranger pulled the trigger, the victim shares in the blame equally for letting them in the house.
It doesn't work that way, or at least it shouldn't.
that is a horrible analogy
am I letting the stranger in my house while he is pointing a loaded gun at me and he is saying "this gun may go off at any moment"
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