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Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:54 am to LNCHBOX
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IF the baby is born, you should take care of it. Don't want to have to take care of a kid, get better at using condoms and pulling out. It's not rocket science.
derp, why cant that same logic apply to women then?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to Salmon
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pretty sure that this topic only comes in play as long as abortion is legal
I have no problems with abortion being legal, but a "legal" abortion is stupid. Someone will need to take care of that child if it is actually born. "Legally aborting" doesn't change that.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to upgrayedd
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A woman can put her kids up for adoption without the father's consent?
of course, he can go to court to fight it if he wants
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to LNCHBOX
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If a woman chooses to abort a baby, she's "brave,"
There are a great many people that don't agree with this at all.
I'd say next to nobody agrees with it, it's a straw man. But it's easier to vilify an opposing views when they celebrate something horrible.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to Salmon
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yes, absolutely
it has always bothered me that men have no rights when it comes to the abortion of their own child
Counterpoint... until it's born, how do they know for sure that it's their child?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to anc
Hell it's the white trash and "thug life" way of doing business...am I right /
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to Salmon
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pretty sure that this topic only comes in play as long as abortion is legal
I agree. The abortion issue really changes the dynamics of the argument.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:56 am to rocket31
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derp, why cant that same logic apply to women then?
Because when they abort there is no child still coming into the world. It's not the same, and it's pretty obvious.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:58 am to LSUBoo
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Counterpoint... until it's born, how do they know for sure that it's their child?
fair question and something I haven't thought about
I guess the mom could just say it isn't your kid...
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:58 am to Wtodd
The feminists love to tout that, "My body, my baby, my business" line up until someone actually wants to hold them to the logical ramifications of it.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:58 am to anc
Are the situations similar?
Men can impregnate woman after woman, all the while "aborting" his responsibilities. It seems like a Pandora's box
Women must incur the cost of abortion fiscally and mentally. If they choose not to abort, they will endure 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth.
I get that men's rights in the area of children are lacking. I just don't think that giving men this ability will make things better for anyone.
Men can impregnate woman after woman, all the while "aborting" his responsibilities. It seems like a Pandora's box
Women must incur the cost of abortion fiscally and mentally. If they choose not to abort, they will endure 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth.
I get that men's rights in the area of children are lacking. I just don't think that giving men this ability will make things better for anyone.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:59 am to LNCHBOX
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I have no problems with abortion being legal, but a "legal" abortion is stupid. Someone will need to take care of that child if it is actually born. "Legally aborting" doesn't change that.
A mother could just drop her baby off at a "safe haven" now and legally abort her responsibility for the child from that point forward. Processes are already in place for this.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:59 am to Brosef Stalin
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You could just not get a girl pregnant
Frick you and your responsibility privilege.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:59 am to upgrayedd
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A woman can put her kids up for adoption without the father's consent?
Yes, it complicates things without a TPR (Termination of Parental Rights), but for some reason in this country, custody issues almost always side with the mother's desires.
If you see a father that has full custody of his kids - the mother is probably in jail or should be. I've seen certifiably insane women get custody over hard working decent men.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:59 am to LNCHBOX
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Because when they abort there is no child still coming into the world. It's not the same, and it's pretty obvious.
then the mom is making the conscience decision to take care of the kid by keeping it
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:00 am to anc
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Yes, it complicates things without a TPR (Termination of Parental Rights), but for some reason in this country, custody issues almost always side with the mother's desires.
If you see a father that has full custody of his kids - the mother is probably in jail or should be. I've seen certifiably insane women get custody over hard working decent men.
That's extremely fricked up
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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then the mom is making the conscience decision to take care of the kid by keeping it
And the dad should still have to take care of his child if it is born. Don't like it, don't reproduce. I know you're smart enough to see the difference.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:02 am to Brosef Stalin
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You could just not get a girl pregnant
Or maybe the girl should just not get pregnant.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:03 am to LNCHBOX
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And the dad should still have to take care of his child if it is born. Don't like it, don't reproduce.
the issue is that the Dad has no rights when it comes to the decision for the child to be born or not
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