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re: Should all drugs be legal?

Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:48 pm to
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Seems like it’s working



sarcasm?
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99034 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:49 pm to
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We've criminalized addiction and sent a lot of people to prison that were really only harming themselves and could have been helped with other means.




The majority of people in jail for drug charges(real time not a few weeks) are drug dealers, not users. Most drug dealers aren’t addicts
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:49 pm to
It’s not getting any worse is it?
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:50 pm to
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Should we also allow people to make pipe bombs or pressure cooker bombs since all those materials exist?

Who hasn't made a pipe bomb?

Still not nearly as cool as a potato gun though.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:50 pm to
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Alcohol is regulated and manufacturing, distribution and consumption is controlled.


Only for businesses. You can cook up for home consumption all you want.

And it's legal.

Alcohol is way overregulated which is why I hate the "tax and regulate" argument.
Posted by Mr Clean
Power I-Formation
Member since Aug 2006
53649 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:51 pm to
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The majority of people in jail for drug charges(real time not a few weeks) are drug dealers, not users. Most drug dealers aren’t addicts


False and false
Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
15523 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:51 pm to
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It’s not getting any worse is it?



not getting any better either despite spending 1.5 trillion

Maybe reallocate that money to treatment and I bet that would start to decrease. And by treatment, I mean actual treatment of the problem, the issue with most treatment centers is that they only treat the symptom of the problem which is the drug use, they never actually treat the actual problem. Thats why so many people relapse.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61883 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:51 pm to
1) Let me ask a question. Why do grown people want to legislate what other grown people do when it doesn’t affect them personally?


2). In light of these laws, and many many like them regarding personal liberty, how can we honestly say with a straight face that America is indeed the land of liberty?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:52 pm to
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but not cocaine, meth or heroin.


If coke were legal or you could get legal amphetamines like Adderall OTC, meth use would plummet.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Alcohol is way overregulated which is why I hate the "tax and regulate" argument.

I can't stand the people that argue for Louisiana to legalize weed as a revenue source. I want it legalized because I think I should be able to grow and consume a plant if I want to. I should be able to grow it in my backyard if I want. I haven't smoked pot in over a decade btw.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
24661 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Was thinking about this earlier and from what ive read. And im not talking about just pot either, im talking about stuff like meth, cocaine, and other hard drugs.

Would it be worth it to make these legal considering how much money we spend enforcing laws to keep them illegal?






Are you fukin stupid?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:55 pm to
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The majority of people in jail for drug charges(real time not a few weeks) are drug dealers, not users. Most drug dealers aren’t addicts



The majority of inmates in prison are drug addicts.


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In 1980 there were 40,900 people incarcerated for drug offenses; by 2013, this number increased to 489,000. Considering that the vast majority of drug arrests are for possession, the criminal justice system is left to address high levels of substance abuse and addiction. Approximately half of prison and jail inmates meet DSM-IV criteria for substance abuse or dependence, and significant percentages of state and federal prisoners committed the act they are incarcerated for while under the influence of drugs. Data from a national study in five major American cities shows that at the time of arrest, 63% to 83% of arrestees had drugs in their system, with marijuana and cocaine being the most common. Between 2000 and 2013, the percentage of arrestees with opiates in their system increased, with a couple of cities seeing significant increases in opiate presence, as well as methamphetamines. Substance abuse and addiction have other significant public health implications; CDC data estimates that 7.6% of new HIV diagnoses between 2008 and 2011 involved transmission via injection drug use, and sharing needles and other equipment used to inject drugs is the most common form of Hepatitis C transmission. Substance abuse may be compounded by co-occurring mental illness, and many begin to use substances to cope with mental illness or physical pain.


Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
15523 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:55 pm to
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Are you fukin stupid?



awesome response baw. Very well thought out and full of insight
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64648 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:55 pm to
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1) Let me ask a question. Why do grown people want to legislate what other grown people do when it doesn’t affect them personally?




Because eventually it does effect everyone personally. Mental illness creates homeless people, drugs can exacerbate the number of homeless people, homeless people exist in public spaces.

Are you trying to say we shouldn't care what happens in public spaces?

Should we care if people are shooting up drugs on the sidewalk and leaving their needles behind?

We have to draw a line somewhere.

Legalizing more drugs....yes...all drugs? Not practical
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61491 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:56 pm to
The “stoner in prison” thing is mostly a myth. Most in jail with weed chargers also have gun and other drug charges
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:56 pm to
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Should we also allow people to make pipe bombs or pressure cooker bombs since all those materials exist?





Strawman. Try again.

Unless you want to try and argue that pipe bombs can be used recreationally. I'd like to see that

Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:56 pm to
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You can cook up for home consumption all you want.


I don’t think the OP is talking about legalizing cooking up drugs for home consumption
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:56 pm to
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Let me ask a question. Why do grown people want to legislate what other grown people do when it doesn’t affect them personally?


Maybe because we dont want to pay for your frick ups.

To me that is the biggest issue. If your drug use doesnt affect me go for it....but when it leads to other criminal acts or spending tax payer money for your problem....then it becomes our problem.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14616 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:58 pm to
Anyone who thinks meth or heroin should be legal are fricking idiots.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
10130 posts
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:00 pm to
It is idiotic that we put people in jail for ingesting a substance in the comfort of their own home.
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