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re: Shooting At Florida State...2 dead...the shooter, Phoenix Ikner, is in custody

Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85987 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
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Oh spare me the concern trolling about the inner cities


"Every life matters I just don't talk about those other ones"
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50891 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
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Believe it or not properly funded government programs can absolutely work be extremely beneficial to people.

How often do government programs work effectively and efficiently where they aren’t absolutely miserable to deal with? I’ve never heard anyone who uses any sort of government funded healthcare just rave about how smooth it is dealing with government agencies.
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But hey can't have that because more government is automatically bad.

Because our government is wasteful. The people it employs often aren’t great employees motivated to serve the common good. You may enjoy the government having involvement in most aspects of your life, but not all of us want that. I’m not against helping the poor or sick who truly need help, but I am against a government that sticks its hands into everything.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51504 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:33 pm to
So you're admitting progressive taxes work?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73172 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:34 pm to
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This country has worked at its best when the top marginal tax rates were at their highest and when we had higher corporate tax rates




Educate yourself on current economic research on who pays the corporate income tax.

Hint: it’s not the rich. It’s the middle and lower class in the form of higher prices and lower wages.

You have got to be the dumbest poster on this board
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16851 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:34 pm to
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No other first world country deals with the absurd amount of gun violence that America does.


Does Hollywood, music, and video games have as much influence in other parts of the world? Because those are more to blame for the erosion of society then any weapon but no one wants to address that.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44889 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:34 pm to
How about you spare the rest of us with your politicized rhetoric in the middle of an active story? You only give a shite when you can monopolize a topic to spout some ill informed political points.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51504 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:35 pm to
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never heard anyone who uses any sort of government funded healthcare just rave about how smooth it is dealing with government agencies.

Our version of government healthcare is a joke compared to other nations that being said I certainly know a number of people who rely heavily on Medicaid.
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The people it employs often aren’t great employees motivated to serve the common good.

Baseless argument that says nothing
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:36 pm to
Nevermind, not engaging and further ruining the thread.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
1512 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:36 pm to
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Kinda of a moot point when the state has lax gun laws.


serious question: do you think shootings do t happen in states with stricter gun laws?

Or that they check people coming across the state line?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72174 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:37 pm to
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didn't see really any first world nations other than the US. Closest you can say are Chile, Egypt, and Turkey. But they're all having massive internal problems right now. Weird how no European countries nor Australia, New Zealand, Japan, or South Korea were on there.


What about Sweden?

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CNN — Police said at least 10 people were killed at a school on Tuesday, in what has been described as the worst mass shooting in Sweden’s history. The suspected perpetrator also died.

Feb 2025

Montenegro

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a man killed thirteen people and wounded three others during five separate shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro, before killing himself later on the same day

Jan 2025

Bosnia and Herzegovina

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a school shooting occurred inside the Sanski Most Gymnasium,[2] located in Sanski Most, Bosnia and Herzegovina, when the school janitor, 50-year-old Mehmed Vukalic, opened fire on three school employees with an automatic rifle. After the shooting, he attempted to commit suicide, but was captured while doing so and taken into medical custody.

Aug 2024

France
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five people were killed during a shooting spree across the Nord Department in France. A man was detained.

Dec 2024

Serbia

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a school shooting occurred at Vladislav Ribnikar Model Elementary School in the Vracar municipality of Belgrade, Serbia. The shooter, identified as 13-year-old Kosta Kecmanovic, opened fire on students and staff, resulting in the deaths of ten individuals, including nine students and a security guard. Six others, five students and a teacher, also sustained injuries.

May 2023

Belgium

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Abdesalem Lassoued, a 45-year-old Tunisian living illegally in Brussels, Belgium, opened fire on Swedish football supporters at the intersection of two boulevards just off the Square Sainctelette, leaving two dead and one injured.

Oct 2023

Germany

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The shooter, identified as Philipp Fusz, entered the building during a service and opened fire, killing six adults and an unborn child, and injuring eight others.

March 2023

Czech Republic

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14 people were killed and 22 injured in a mass shooting at the main Faculty of Arts building of Charles University in central Prague, Czech Republic. Another three people were injured when the perpetrator opened fire toward the streets from the faculty's fourth-floor rooftop terrace.

Dec 2023

Russia
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a mass shooting occurred at Bryansk school in Bryansk, Bryansk Oblast, Russia. One student was killed and five others were wounded before the shooter, Alina Afanaskina, committed suicide.

Dec. 2023
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50891 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:38 pm to
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Baseless argument that says nothing

I would describe all of your arguments in the same way. You’ve yet to say exactly what you think the federal government should do to bring an end to mass shootings. You make a lot of broad arguments in favor of government intervention, but you’ve yet to give us specific details on those measures and why you think they’ll work. By all means, give us what specific gun control measures we need.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85987 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:38 pm to
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So you're admitting progressive taxes work?


What do you mean by "work"?

I think all sorts of things will work in culturally homogenous, high trust societies, including all sorts of democratic socialist utopian ideas.

That doesn't make them advisable. But I'd be willing to discuss them. But again, you guys want the top of the pyramid without doing any of the foundational work.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76602 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:38 pm to
Dawgfan is the same type of person who will argue for short sentences and criminal justice reform so that he can release the same murderous criminals out onto the street to terrorize the same people over and over again.

He is a walking contradiction.

He argues for “common sense laws” while arguing for less strict implementation of the laws we already have.

Rather than holding the criminals responsible, he wants to punish everyone else.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51504 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:38 pm to
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you think shootings do t happen in states with stricter gun laws?


Yeah of course they happen
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check people coming across the state line?

And this is why your argument falls apart. Of course stricter gun laws in say Illinois won't be as effective as possible if someone can just go to Indiana with far looser laws. And I'm not advocating for border checks that's ridiculous.
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
8303 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:39 pm to
Three things are universally inevitable:

Taxes

Death

Dawgfan posting retarded shite
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22794 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:40 pm to
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What do you mean by "work"?

I think all sorts of things will work in culturally homogenous, high trust societies, including all sorts of democratic socialist utopian ideas.

That doesn't make them advisable. But I'd be willing to discuss them. But again, you guys want the top of the pyramid without doing any of the foundational work.


Could we stop arguing politics, like taxes, and keep the discussion on the topic? Jesus.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73172 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:41 pm to
Guess what, retard.

You are flat out wrong about the top income tax bracket.




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Simply put, Washington collects more income-tax revenues (as a share of GDP) today with a top tax bracket of 37% than it collected in the 1950s with a 91% tax bracket. In fact, since 1950, the yearly correlation between the highest income-tax bracket and federal income-tax revenues as a share of the economy is –0.23, meaning that higher top tax rates are correlated with lower income-tax revenues.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51504 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:41 pm to
The top marginal income tax was at 90% in the 50s what's known as the golden era of economics. And yes I'm aware saying that it was great entirely due to that one thing is asinine this is more for the people who acting like an increase in taxes on corporations or the 1% is somehow bad.
Posted by Mlear
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
177 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:41 pm to
is this a tranny with a manifesto situation or Jamal and Lavontravious setting beef?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85987 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:42 pm to
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The top marginal income tax was at 90% in the 50s what's known as the golden era of economics. And yes I'm aware saying that it was great entirely due to that one thing is asinine this is more for the people who acting like an increase in taxes on corporations or the 1% is somehow bad.


(I know that's why I referenced the 50s 2 pages ago)

But we can discuss it in another thread
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