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re: Seeing a lot of “many of the hospitalized are people who were vaccinated” posts on here

Posted on 7/19/21 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51846 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

the vaccines were sold as a cure not a preventative from hospitalization. For months all we heard was hang on for us to get a vaccine. Then the efficacy was reported as efficacy of preventing contraction, not hospitalization.

The vaccines radically lower one's chance of CATCHING the virus, and it radically lowers one's chane at developing bad symptoms if one catches the virus.

The vaccine was never represented any other way. The very first news of the vaccines included the estimate of 94% reduction in the CHANCE of contracting the virus.

Now, if you were getting your news from Tigerdroppings...
Posted by Potchafa
Avoyelles
Member since Jul 2016
4164 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 2:57 pm to
Is that a burrito grease stain on your "Show You Work" piece of paper?
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 2:57 pm to
If people want to get vaccinated fine.
If they do not fine.
This is America and their right.

At the end of the day I may get it and even though I am vaccinated. It could kill me. Hoping it will be not as bad which is why I took the vaccine.

I can also be killed riding a bike on the road, getting robbed, lightning striking me, and from a heart attack.

At the end of the day I have to live my life as I take risk daily sun my normal everyday life.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41262 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 2:59 pm to
100% is a food stain
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

If people are vaccinated, which is supposed to reduce the severity and longevity of the symptoms, yet they still wind up in the ICU/hospital does that not tell you something?


Just look at the UK data if you're wondering if the vaccines are working.

They have numbers of cases similar to what they saw in early January, and have a fraction of the hospitalizations or deaths currently vs that time.

UK Gov Corona Dashboard.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1554 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:07 pm to
The numbers your "Stats professor" are obviously manufactured numbers for demonstration purposes, not actual numbers OR percentages.

The actual percentage of HOSPITALIZED patients who are fully vaccinated is nearly 50%, according to the AP.

The problem with the messaging is this:

#1-Generally, people have a healthy and reasonable distrust of the government.
#2-Most people absolutely distrust the media in general. This phenomenon was initiated with the "global warming" scenarios, when it was widely and repeatedly reported that 99% of scientists agreed with the theory, when it was obvious and proven to be false.

This, with the vilification of anyone who disagreed with ALL vaccinations being necessary without question being labeled as "anti-vaxxers". The vast majority of those labeled as anti-vaxxers are not against vaccines, nor do they believe vaccines are ineffective. They understand the science of vaccines and they work.

These covid vaccines, no one can reasonably deny, were rushed to market without the thorough and long term testing we expect to be certain they are "safe" and have no long-term ill effects.
Posted by cardswinagain
Member since Jun 2013
13172 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:08 pm to
I bet you also call Fauci a hero
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9126 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:19 pm to
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Plandemic must have included this newest wrinkle, the vaccine war and we have further divided ourselves over it. Even people on the same political spectrum are disagreeing about this. It was a brilliant move to futher divide us.


Absolutely, especially since most of the developed world is actively discussing making the shots mandatory or required for participating in society. Those opposed to the vaccine are up in arms because they see the potential future of being treated as an outcast at best and the scapegoat for variants at worst.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24075 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:28 pm to
The argument that person would make is that the efficacy isn't as advertised. That destroys this whole stupid diagram.

Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7544 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:29 pm to
If you folded that on the lines you'd have a really cool paper airplane.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25234 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

If people are vaccinated, which is supposed to reduce the severity and longevity of the symptoms, yet they still wind up in the ICU/hospital does that not tell you something?


it tells me more about how many pussies live in this country. I've had covid, i definitely didn't go to the hospital. i took nyquil and slept a lot and was fine in a few days. People will go to the hospital over minor symptoms these days. it's ridiculous
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19531 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:53 pm to
This is the truth. Hangnail, OMG I need surgery. Why get the vaccination, let the strong survive. Bitch arse libs just want to be weak sauce and live to drain society.

“Work so i can live”
“Vaxx so I can live”
“We’re a mask for me”. Do something for yourselves helpless chumps

When my kid was upset her friends family got a stimulus check and we didn’t I explained to her that Dad has to work hard to pay for her friends stimulus $$. Someone has to do it.


I pay for your stimulus and then have see all the crying that I’m killing people lol. Amazing
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
12755 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:59 pm to
Thought I heard that there was never a vaccine for a coronavirus until Covid-19, which really isn’t a vaccine to begin with.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120003 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:59 pm to
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And they have some government juice floating around in their veins, doing God knows what.



Jesus Christ!

This place is amazing. Where do all of you rocket scientist come from?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

The vaccines radically lower one's chance of CATCHING the virus, and it radically lowers one's chane at developing bad symptoms if one catches the virus.

The vaccine was never represented any other way. The very first news of the vaccines included the estimate of 94% reduction in the CHANCE of contracting the virus.


Right so it was sold as 94% efficacy in preventing contracting the virus. It was unrealistic from the start and was never presented with the possibility of mutations in the virus which would reduce efficacy, which they knew the entire time would happen because it’s what viruses do. We have the flu annually with 190-200 million flu vaccinations every year and they still don’t get the flu vaccine anywhere near 94% effective by their own numbers.

Most big time vaxx zealots believed and acted as though it was the cure. Then just as ridiculously believed they still needed to wear a mask when told to by Fauci. Just as much as the vaxxers scream the anti-vaxxers ignore the CDC and science, the vaxxers ignore common sense, data, and political interference.
Posted by chaad
Member since May 2021
215 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:16 pm to
I’m not seeing what you are trying to imply by showing a random set of numbers and words? Is this from hospital data? From who? Who chooses the 940 people with COVID but didn’t go to the hospital?

Also, I thought vaccine efficacy meant that you wouldn’t contract the virus…when did that change to “you don’t go to the hospital”?
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2197 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:43 pm to
If 50% of the population is vaccinated, and 60% of the current COVID hospitalizations are in vaccinated people, then the claim that the vaccine is 95% affective against severe illness is complete BS. No matter how you try to spin the stats
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37001 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:50 pm to
Good God that is laughable.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10655 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 7:52 pm to
Wait… so 95% of the population is vaccinated?

Surely we’ve reached heard immunity then, no?

Oh wait, you just made numbers up to make your argument look rational? Nice science
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 8:04 pm to
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