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Scientists find no evidence of depression being caused by "chemical imbalances" in brain

Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:07 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:07 am
Thereby making SSRIs completely useless when it comes to combatting depression.


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After decades of research, there remains no clear evidence that serotonin levels or serotonin activity are responsible for depression, according to a comprehensive review of prior research led by University College London (UCL) scientists.

The major new umbrella review – an overview of existing meta-analyses and systematic reviews – was published on July 20 in the journal Molecular Psychiatry. It suggests that depression is not likely caused by a chemical imbalance, and calls into question what antidepressant medications do. This is because most antidepressants are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), which were originally said to function by correcting abnormally low serotonin levels. In fact, there is no other accepted pharmacological mechanism by which antidepressants affect the symptoms of depression.

Lead author Professor Joanna Moncrieff, a Professor of Psychiatry at UCL and a consultant psychiatrist at North East London NHS Foundation Trust (NELFT), said: “It is always difficult to prove a negative, but I think we can safely say that after a vast amount of research conducted over several decades, there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.

“The popularity of the ‘chemical imbalance’ theory of depression has coincided with a huge increase in the use of antidepressants. Prescriptions for antidepressants have risen dramatically since the 1990s, with one in six adults in England and 2% of teenagers now being prescribed an antidepressant in a given year.

“Many people take antidepressants because they have been led to believe their depression has a biochemical cause, but this new research suggests this belief is not grounded in evidence.”


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Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:09 am to
Is this the same article that was discussed a few days ago? Not being a Germans arse, asking seriously.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:10 am to
I look forward to seeing the pharmaceutical companies take these off the market. (Sarcasm)
Posted by AUbagman
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:11 am to
It's repetitive thought processes and actions, which leads to self hatred and guilt. A level of discomfort has to be gone through to change the habits, so a lot of people don't do it.

Eta: But wellbutrin sure enough works for stopping nicotine. There are some uses for them.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 10:13 am
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:12 am to
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University College London

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95333 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:12 am to
They saying no correlation between serotonin levels and depression or no causation between serotonin levels and depression?


Not saying to just blindly continue this because there haven’t been any other answers. Just wondering on how they came to this conclusion and if the study was done with proper measurements and so forth.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95333 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:13 am to
Idea behind medication is supposed to be “Lessens the symptoms so you can do therapy and either fix the underlying issue or learn coping mechanisms.”

Problem is that a lot of people just take the pills and don’t do the other part.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:17 am to
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Thereby making SSRIs completely useless when it comes to combatting depression.


I posted this in the other thread about the same article when it was posted last week. Before starting on Abilify
My wife had crippling panic attacks and depression so severe that the tasks of daily living were almost too much for her. Over the course of about ten days it stopped the panic attacks completely and helped her depression so much that she's able to function as an adult.

Maybe they don't understand the mechanism like they thought. Maybe it's over prescribed. But for someone with severe depression, these medicines are lifesavers. People with Agendas are going to misinterpret this study, people will go off their meds, and people will die.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
16994 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:17 am to
Yeah but pharma is gonna stay undefeated and keep slinging out pills
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:19 am to
quote:

Is this the same article that was discussed a few days ago? Not being a Germans arse, asking seriously.





Are you referring to this one:

Tigerdroppings Thread

Different article. Same study.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68199 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:21 am to
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Scientists find no evidence of depression being caused by "chemical imbalances" in brain
Is far different that what the author of the paper said...
quote:

there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin
What about norepinephrine, dopamine, glutamate?
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29283 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:21 am to
Pfizer gets to reap the windfall profits from Zoloft for 2 decades then this comes up

Then they make the covid vaxx and Dr birx tells us they oversold the vaccines that it wouldn’t do much anyway… even bigger windfall profits for Pfizer

Hmmmmmmmm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:22 am to
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11480 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:22 am to
Things coming out:

Alzheimer's science was bogus.
Depression science was bogus.
Vaccine data was bogus.

Next up in my opinion is the Statin/Cholesterol industry.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:23 am to
That's not exactly what the study says. The chemical imbalance hypothesis is also based on catecholamines. The study, even in the section quoted, is limited in its claims. It's a great study though.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11480 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:25 am to
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What about norepinephrine, dopamine, glutamate?


Irrelevant because the study is about SSRI's. Which is a highly prescribed group of drugs.
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
53782 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:25 am to
I’ve been on multiple SSRI’s since my twenties. Been on Prozac for over twenty years. I can say with conviction that their effect on my depression has been minimal to none. Over time I’ve learned many coping techniques that have allowed me to function mostly normally. Why continue to take the meds, then? My best answer would be that the placebo effect is real.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95333 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:27 am to
Problem is balancing the placebo effect with the known side effects some of these drugs have, especially after long term use.
Posted by dandyjohn
Member since Apr 2009
804 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:30 am to
quote:

It's repetitive thought processes and actions, which leads to self hatred and guilt. A level of discomfort has to be gone through to change the habits, so a lot of people don't do it.


Sometimes those thought processes are there because of learned behaviors. I am a stoic and I do believe with hard work you can change your mindset, but it also has to be understood that environment changes the level of effort that it takes to do this substantially.

Someone who grows up in foster care will have a much harder time getting out of their thought patterns than someone who grew up with loving and stable parents.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23698 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:31 am to
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Thereby making SSRIs completely useless when it comes to combatting depression.

The issue of causation is vastly different than the issue of treatment. There is no evidence that an existential crisis is caused by the absence of talking to therapists, but talking to therapists can trigger profound relief. The same can be said for any multitude of things that alleviate symptoms, whether physical and mental or emotional. There is no necessary causation correlation if the treatment relieves the symptoms.

The chemical imbalance causation theory has always been unproven. It's more of a marketing pitch than anything. It never had a scientific basis.

However, there is substantial evidence that taking anti-depression meds can have relieve severe depression.

If the treatment relieves the symptoms, then SSRIs are not "completely useless when it comes to combatting depression."
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