- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Schools and teachers are a Joke
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:20 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:20 am to Chad504boy
Yea the teacher's part in the process is about half. The other half is the parents/home life and the kid's attitude. Not to mention the restraints the dumb kids in class (yours?) put on the rest of the kids by holding the class back as well as the government bureaucracy of ever-changing required lesson plan formats, redundant paperwork, extra-curricular requirements on the teachers, etc.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
0
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:39 am to Waterboy1972
quote:Man you hit it. My daughter is elementary-level and my wife gets 8-10 texts per day reminding of useless, timewasting bullshite as you explain above.
When my kids were younger, they brought home daily notes telling me to do shite in the most disorganized, haphazardly manner. The Who, What, When, Where, Why was just buried in the minutiae of gobbledygook false praise for the teachers and students. It would be things like “tomorrow is T-shirt day, but no long T-shirts, but Wednesday they can have free dress if they bring $1. But the T-shirt day is a canned good. Monday is movie day bring 2.50 for that, and Friday is your day for snacks or you can send $10 by last Thursday. And they get out early Friday and that is the day for the field trip so bring $2 or they will be watching the movie with the poor children”
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:46 am to Chad504boy
quote:
Never is it a response that they try to pay extra attention to the kid, try to make sure this kid is grasping something or following along. NEVER.
One thing I've learned, observing my teacher wife (no pics) and two kids in school, is that teaching is a zero-sum game.
There are so many minutes per class and so many kids per class. They have to cover so much material a day in order to get it all in before the stupid standardized test in the spring.
If teacher spends more time with your kid "paying extra attention", that's less time for the teacher to spend with the other kids and the other topics he/she much teach.
My wife offers tutoring after school two days a week for an hour after the end of the school day. Same two days every week. Everyone knows when it is. She will go 5-6 weeks without a single kid stopping by for extra help. yet, parents like you will complain when the kid is failing a class.
quote:
You need to further continue going out of your way for your Kids to learn their education.
It's your child's education. You do whatever you need to do as a parent to help your kid learn. WTF in your life is more important than that?
I hope you are trolling and truly aren't this terrible of a parent.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:50 am to Pecker
quote:
Pecker
Right on cue there is poor pathetic little Pecker shitting on teachers. He is mad because teachers get 15 weeks off a year, while he get a whole 2 weeeks lol.
Man this dude has such a sad life. Imagine being so unhappy with your own life that you constantly shite on teachers of all people.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:56 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:
Graduating college is the safest way to indicate success. However, too many people start and don't finish
Graduating college - with a major that is in demand and directly leads to employment - is the safest way to indicate success.
Starting college and not graduating - or graduating with a useless degree - while running up student loan debt - is a recipe for financial disaster. It's actually better to just not go to college and not run up the debt
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:59 am to Waterboy1972
quote:
quote:Our education system is outdated. We are applying essentially 18th century learning tactics in a world where we have supercomputers in our hands
This shite ^ right here!
What is interesting is my fiancée teaching where she does actually gets emails (heck, the students each have an email), an app to communicate reminders and such to her classes at large, and a school email/cloud-type system. There are some tools there.
Problem is the structure from a communication and concept standpoint, from the top down, is completely disorganized and inconsistent, redundant in places, and behind-the-fact in other places. It's like there are tools but no good grasp of how to workflow it.
She gets it pretty well. She's suggested really trying to force the kids to use their email (especially for the college-track kids), using a blackboard/moodle type online class uploading and messaging system (like, you know, EVERY college and most work outside of McDonald's and offshore uses), and the like.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:00 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Graduating college - with a major that is in demand and directly leads to employment - is the safest way to indicate success.
Starting college and not graduating - or graduating with a useless degree - while running up student loan debt - is a recipe for financial disaster. It's actually better to just not go to college and not run up the debt
Nothing you are saying is wrong, but college graduates end up being better off than non college graduates in almost every single metric, no matter the degree.
But yes, if you go to some liberal arts College and rack up 200k in debt for a genders studies degree you are an idiot.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:01 am to Chad504boy
quote:
This is a north shore private school. It’s all the same.
But but but I thought private schools were the greatest things ever??????
LOL at you for wasting thousands of dollars per year for your kid to not be any smarter than the average northshore public school kid
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:05 am to Black n Gold
quote:
I'm a product of private school and send my children to one. In places like St Tammany, the education usually isnt much better if at all. You're paying so your kid can have some religious influence in his life and avoid seeing fights.
I'm glad someone gets it.
Look, if you want to pay thousands of dollars per year so your kid can get an hour of religion a day instead of 2 hours a week at Sunday school, I can respect that.
But anyone who thinks the education itself is that much better, and certainly worth the cost of tuition, is deluding themselves.
After 2 years of a very underwhelming catholic school education, we decided to save the 5K per year per kid, enroll them in the A rated blue ribbon winning public school we are zoned to, pay $75 a year per kid for parish school of religion, and take the $9,850 difference and save some of it and spend the rest of it on them having a great childhood with lots of experiences.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:06 am to LSUFanHouston
curriculum expectations may be higher, the actual value of the teachers are not.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:08 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:
But anyone who thinks the education itself is that much better, and certainly worth the cost of tuition, is deluding themselves.
Highly dependent on location, but in St Tammany you are correct.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:09 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:
but college graduates end up being better off than non college graduates in almost every single metric, no matter the degree.
quote:
But yes, if you go to some liberal arts College and rack up 200k in debt for a genders studies degree you are an idiot.
I think there are more of these kids out there than you think.
And it's not just expensive liberal arts colleges. Friend of ours ran up 30K of debt to graduate in 6 years with a general studies degree from Northwestern State University. She's never had a career, has basically worked jobs in fields such as day care assistant teacher and library assistant and office work, and probably has never made more than $12 an hour.
She did not choose wisely, and there are A LOT of people our there like that. For every accountant or engineer, there is someone out there like that.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:12 am to Chad504boy
quote:
curriculum expectations may be higher, the actual value of the teachers are not.
Odds are that the "crappy" public school that you are avoiding sending your kids to, has a higher percentage of highly qualified teachers than your fancy private school.
I know several private / catholic school teachers. Every single one of them could not pass the basic Praxis exam needed to get a public school teaching certificate, and a couple of them do not have college degrees. and they don't get paid worth a crap.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:13 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:
For every accountant or engineer, there is someone out there like that.
I'm just not so sure about that. All the data says graduating college is better than not, no matter what. There is absolutely dumb decisions that are made by many and we should do what we can to steer people away from making those decisions, but the OT consensus of "college is stupid, go to trade school" is objectively incorrect.
Obviously this isn't black and white and all factors must be considered, but when we are speaking in generalizations we have to use the data
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:16 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:
Highly dependent on location, but in St Tammany you are correct.
Agreed. OP said he was northshore.
And we've even gotten to the point in places like Orleans and Jefferson, where if your child is smart enough to get into a magnet / high learning school (like Frankin or Lusher in Orleans, or Haynes/Thomas Jefferson in Jefferson) where that makes more sense than private/catholic school (based on education alone)
Now, if your child isn't smart enough to get into one of those type of schools in Orleans and Jefferson, and they would thus be put into one of the neighborhood schools, AND you can easily afford the tuition, it's probably better to do catholic school. But as even the neighborhood schools slowly get better, and the catholic schools don't really improve and just get more expensive, we may be at a point in 10 years where that starts to turn in JP and Orleans as well.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:17 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Odds are that the "crappy" public school that you are avoiding sending your kids to, has a higher percentage of highly qualified teachers than your fancy private school.
maybe maybe not but i do have previous experience with both. The public elemetary school was decent but we had a bad experience with the middle school. bad enough to warrant me wanting to keep my kids in private school. the private school they go to is a good school. i fully bear the burden and responsibility of my kids school education. I have taken steps to further help them. Its such a grind during the year to keep an eye on every subject all the time. Its like they absorb absolutely nothing in school and all knowledge is gained from home. All the assumptions made in this thread have been "oh teacher must be doing everything they can, there isn't anything they can do better. their job isn't to give any kids attention of actual learning" and the assumption that "its then me not doing enough or anything". its all a joke. Like from the get go, my point stands. Never is the conversation about teachers and what more they can do ever.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:19 am to scottfruget
quote:
Desire starts with the student.
I agree and will add that sometimes that desire starts with the parents pushing and emphasizing the importance of learning and making good grades.
I was lucky enough to have a MIL who was a teacher and retired when my kids were born. She picked them up everyday after school and spent 2-3 hours per day after school teaching them to study and making sure all homework was done. They got in the routine of doing homework as soon as they got home. Now they are in the 7th and 9th grades and are straight A students and I never had to lift a pinky.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:19 am to DFWgolfer318
quote:
All the data says graduating college is better than not, no matter what.
I would look very hard at what groups are producing that data, and what biases they may have / what they represent.
quote:
but the OT consensus of "college is stupid, go to trade school" is objectively incorrect.
I agree with you that is objectively incorrect. And I believe it comes in the form of increased career earnings potential.
A plant baw operator, who gets the job at 19, will likely be earning more at 23 than the recent college graduate. However, over time, the recent college graduate, assuming they are in a in-demand field, will have significant earnings growth, while the baw will always make roughly the same amount of money.
Not to mention, the college educated kid is likely working in a safer environment.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:23 am to Chad504boy
You sound like one of those nightmare parents. The teacher only has so much time to spend with your child in a day on whatever subject it is he is struggling with. Hopefully that teacher is trying his/her best during that time. However, the kid obviously needs MORE than what she is able to give so it is YOUR responsibility as the parent to help your child after school. It sounds like the teacher is doing her job by providing you with plenty of resources. A bad teacher would ignore your concerns or just keep sending home the same homework. This actually sounds like a teacher who took the time to research and provide you with options to help your child outside of school. Basically, you suck as a parent and your child is doomed.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 9:23 am to Chad504boy
quote:
Never is the conversation about teachers and what more they can do ever.
Ok. What more do you want them to do? Remember, there are only so many hours in a day, so much money to spend, and so much material to cover in a year. Also, remember the teacher has no control over the number of kids in the classroom, the required materials to be covered, the parents involvement, or the behavioral tendencies of the kids.
In every profession, there are some that are not as good as others. No doubt there are some teachers out there that should be doing something else to earn money.
But, you are attacking teaching as a profession, not an individual crappy teacher. So... given the constraints I have listed above, what do you want them to do differently?
Page 6 of 8
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News