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re: School Resource Officer "Body Slams" Student Sitting in Desk

Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:13 pm to
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From what I saw, the child was using her phone quietly. How does this disrupt the others?

Move on with class, suspend/expel her later.

So you're one that believes in stripping teacher's ability to control their classroom? Is it because you don't trust their decision making? Or maybe because you're not a parent of a child in the classroom that wants to learn?
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You realize you can still inflict serious consequences on a student after class, right?

Wait, weren't you just preaching in a prior post about not losing an entire period of classroom time? Now, it's ok to allow the disruptive student control the situation, and lose that period of instruction?

You're all over the place.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:15 pm to
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What kind of message are you sending if you just allow students to ignore the teachers instructions and talk to them about it after class?


Again, where did I say the consequences are talking to the student?

You can walk right out of the classroom and be on your way to setting up expulsion for all I care. Consequences don't just disappear because a teacher didn't disrupt class for one student. If anything, when the girl never returned to school again, the kids would know that consequences are dire.

The drama that this created instead only shows students they can create a national uproar by talking back and being bodyslammed.

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I'm sure this happens all the time and I'm sure most of the time the student is escorted out of the classroom by the SRO.



This sounds like this is the school's only SRO. So.. this happens all the time, but this time he went donkey kong on a kid? Doubtful.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 8:16 pm
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Let me ask you this.

What disrupted the learning more:

A. The student using her phone in class

or

B. The cops being called, shite blowing up, and the entire day of school being wasted



You keep saying this like it was known that B was going to be the result when they called the cop. You know damn well that the intention was to have the girl removed from the classroom so the teacher and the rest of the class can go on about their day.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:16 pm to
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B. The cops being called, shite blowing up, and the entire day of school being wasted


Just maybe another kid learn not to frick with the teacher or a adult. Just maybe one or to learn some respect in the classroom.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:17 pm to
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You can walk right out of the classroom and be on your way to setting up expulsion for all I care. Consequences don't just disappear because a teacher didn't disrupt class for one student.

So you're take away from this incident is that the TEACHER disrupted class for one student, not the student disrupted class for the entire classroom?

Exhibit A folks, for SJW mindset.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:18 pm to
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it's ok to allow the disruptive student control the situation, and lose that period of instruction?


HOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW?

How is texting or whatever the frick she was supposedly quietly doing disrupting class. A kid in the classroom tweeted that he had no idea why she was even asked to leave. She was NOT disrupting their learning.

The back and forth initially disrupted it when the teacher (understandably) told her to stop and then to GTFO. When she didn't listen, and he decided to turn it into a spectacle, THE TEACHER ruined class. The adult.

I don't see how getting the kid expelled after class is "letting her get away with it". Most kids would see that she got the ultimate consequence and learn from that.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:18 pm to
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Again, where did I say the consequences are talking to the student?

You can walk right out of the classroom and be on your way to setting up expulsion for all I care. Consequences don't just disappear because a teacher didn't disrupt class for one student. If anything, when the girl never returned to school again, the kids would know that consequences are dire.


Sure they do. Kids understand immediate consequences much more so than consequences in the future. Not only that, but expulsion is unlikely in this case, and most of the students in that class would only know that the teacher asked the girl to get off of her phone, the girl didn't listen, and nothing else happened.

Now, every time the teacher threatens to have a student removed from the classroom for insubordination, it's an empty threat.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:18 pm to
Explain to me how using your phone (she was not talking on it or playing noises on it) disrupts the class.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:20 pm to
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most of the students in that class would only know that the teacher asked the girl to get off of her phone, the girl didn't listen, and nothing else happened.


You underestimate how word gets around in schools. I'm not that far removed from it. Believe me, they would know she was expelled and they would know why. Unless she has 0 friends and everyone was too dumb to put it together.

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very time the teacher threatens to have a student removed from the classroom for insubordination, it's an empty threat.


By your logic of kids only thinking immediate, they now know they'll be bodyslammed, sooooo..
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:21 pm to
If it's not disruptive, explain to me why every school in America has rules against using your phone during class time?
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:21 pm to
When did playing on cellphones in class become acceptable ?
Posted by UpToPar
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:22 pm to
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When she didn't listen, and he decided to turn it into a spectacle, THE TEACHER ruined class. The adult.


Right. Damn that teacher for requiring the students to pay attention and for enforcing the rules.

Just because one student didn't know why the girl was being asked to leave the classroom does not prove that she was not disrupting the class. If students are not supposed to have their cellphones out and a student is openly on her cellphone during class, I can promise you they are causing a distraction.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:24 pm to
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When did playing on cellphones in class become acceptable ?



Relative of mine is a teacher at a high school. They started allowing cell phones in school in the last five years and it's impossible to walk throughout the school without seeing a student on his phone and plugs in his ears.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:25 pm to
I'm just trying to do my part in the fight against illiteracy.
Posted by UpToPar
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:25 pm to
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Believe me, they would know she was expelled and they would know why.


You think she would be expelled for using her phone during class. You can damn near hit a teacher and not be expelled from public school.

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By your logic of kids only thinking immediate, they now know they'll be bodyslammed, sooooo..



Show me where I said body slamming the girl was appropriate. I merely said that calling the SRO for the girls removal was the correct course of action.
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:26 pm to
Why are instruments that distract kids from the task at hand -- being educated in a classroom setting -- allowed ?
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83032 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:27 pm to
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If it's not disruptive, explain to me why every school in America has rules against using your phone during class time?



They also have dress code rules. Know the reason they gave at every school I attended? Improper dress (like an untucked shirt) is a disruption to others.

I'm not saying she should be allowed to use her phone. But you learn to pick your battles. Just like in romantic relationships, friendships, and really any other interaction with a human being. The route the cop took caused a whole day of school to be ruined (like I said, not far off form school--you know that drama like this ruins both teacher and student concentration for the rest of the day).



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Just maybe another kid learn not to frick with the teacher or a adult. Just maybe one or to learn some respect in the classroom.



Here's a little story.

I usually leave the supermarket wanting to murder people ~50+ in age. Why, you ask? Because they are hands down the rudest people alive. They bump into you and don't say excuse me, they grunt and stare at you like they're mentally handicapped when YOU say excuse me, they block aisles and then get angry when you try to politely move past them, they assume everyone is going to pick up after them so they leave food items all over the store and they leave their shopping carts in the middle of checkout aisles, they let their shopping carts roll all over the parking lot into other people's cars and think you're being disrespectful when you say 'DON'T WORRY; I'LL GET THAT" (because you're so pissed off that they think people are there to clean up their messes), etc.

The same people who get on these social media sites and bitch to all hell about "IN MY DAYYYYY (*old people accent*), people were respectful to authority!" when they themselves are not only disrespectful to children, but to other adults as well. Sorry, but I'm sick to death of hearing about how we need to beat the shite out of our kids to "teach them respect" when the same people claiming they "turned out fine" are actually the most disrespectful, rude people out there.

Don't believe me? Take a trip to the grocery store and 'accidentally' bump into a college aged girl. 9 times out of 10, you're going to get an apology from her. Now go bump into a 65 year old woman. You'll be lucky to get anything but a stare.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 8:31 pm
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:28 pm to
LL, I'm sorry and I always like you, BUT, to me this kid was flat out told to put her crap away. Nope. Was told to leave the class. Nope. OK, who brought on the disruption? The teacher or the girl?
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:29 pm to
Rag, I'm not aware of any school that allows cellphone use in the classroom. Moving in between classes? Possibly, but used to be that was even prohibited.

I'm not saying I know the rule in every school, but I've never heard of any HS in La. that allows children cell phone use inside of the classroom while a lesson is being taught.

So I ask again, why are there any rules prohibiting cell phone use if it's not disruptive?
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22970 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:31 pm to
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The route the cop took caused a whole day of school to be ruined


Just a couple posts up you said that the teacher's actions ruined the entire school day.
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