re: Ryan Gosling defends Leaving out American Flag from movie 'First Man'

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“I think this was widely regarded in the end as a human achievement [and] that's how we chose to view it,

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This is the Russian N1 rocket, their attempt at a Saturn V. This is as close as it ever got to the moon.

The Apollo program was arguably the pinnacle of American ingenuity and achievement. They put a bunch of test pilots, scientists, and engineers in a room and stayed the hell out of the way with Mercury. And then when Gemini and Apollo came along, they put those test pilots and engineers in charge of running the political side of the game, which ensured operation and mission success stayed at the paramount.

Kennedy’s moon speech was in 62. We landed in 69. 7 years from basic inception. 7 years and change to design and build the most complex machine ever invented, test it, and execute it. NASA released the Command Module procedure manual a few years ago and I read through it with the appreciation that this stuff had never been done before. There was no precedent, no OE, nothing to draw on aside from trips in LEO. You wrote a procedure and designed for contingency of what the math told you “should” happen. And they got it right. Apollo 13 showed you just how right they got it. The engineers knew their spacecraft.

This was a great moment in humanity for certain, but it was most definitely an American achievement. Discounting that cheapens the successes the world has had together since that time like the ISS, New Horizons, etc. The Apollo-Soyuz and eventually Americans on Mir and then international crews on the ISS happen because of the strides the US took first.

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Well that’s just wrong. When it happened it was views as an American achievement.

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To be fair, I do see the Moon Landing as mankind’s greatest achievement to date. I have a big problem with them not showing Neil Armstrong putting the flag in, but he said it best himself:

“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”

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“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”

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His first choice wasn't TV approved.
"Suck it Russia"

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You said he specifically ordered people executed for working slowly as a means to terrorize the laborers. And you specifically asserted that he was an ideological fanatic of the most brutal Nazi policies, none of which you can substantiate. You are being misinformative.

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The only reason he wasn’t killed was his brilliant mind that could be used to defeat the communists

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What evidence do you have that indicates he would have been tried and convicted of death penalty offenses? Albert Speer was not convicted at Nuremberg. Do you think rocket scientist Wehrner von Braun was more guilty for the conditions of slave laborers during the war than Albert Speer? The guy was a leading rocket scientist not a leading member of the party or state. You are negligently simplifying his story and it's extremely misleading for anyone who might think your remarks are reliable.

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Ryan, you ignorant slut.

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This was in the midst of the Cold War. We did it for America, not mankind. We did it to show the Soviet Union that we are better than them. It’s pretty distinctively an American achievement.

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It really was because of the Nazi, though. We had von Braun, but refused to listen to his strategic vision, and were consistently behind the Russians well into the mid-60s. When we finally switched over to his vision, we pulled out in front and got there first. But again - without the Nazi, it's unlikely we would have won. And he was the kind of "American" most would not want to welcome today.

Jokes on everyone, the moon landing is a hoax

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Can’t wait until they remake Miracle when generic country upsets other generic country in the olympics. Inspiring

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Wasn’t that Mighty Ducks?