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re: Ryan Gosling defends Leaving out American Flag from movie 'First Man'
Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:57 am to Deactived
Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:57 am to Deactived
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and if i made a movie on that entire story and left that part out, the media and left would absolutely lose their shite
Are you really trying to say it's impossible to tell the story of the first human on the moon without the flag planting? Is it really that pivotal to the plot?
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Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:58 am to Mike da Tigah
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There’s a time and a season for everything, and truthfully, if this doesn’t offend you, there’s only one thing one can draw for it, and that’s that you take no pride in this country, because if you did, then trying to steal the glory from arguably one of our finest achievements would piss you the frick off, no question. But, since it doesn’t, I can only surmise that you don’t care about America.
Drama. Queen.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:01 pm to slackster
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Are you really trying to say it's impossible to tell the story of the first human on the moon without the flag planting? Is it really that pivotal to the plot?
I mean if it was so unimportant why did they even plant a flag? Why is the picture of it one of the most scene pictures from the moon landing? You can tell a story any way you want to but if you want it to be historically accurate it should be included.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Von Braun once reportably hung the 5 slowest Jews in his factory to “motivate” the other workers. The guy responsible for us getting to the Moon was a full fledged Nazi and a member of the SS
Nazi party member [yes]
Recruited into the SS [yes]
Hanged the 5 slowest Jews in his factory? [hell no]
Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Read Von Braun: Dreamer of Space, Engineer of War by Michael Neufeld to learn what he was really like.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:08 pm to TigerNlc
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I mean if it was so unimportant why did they even plant a flag? Why is the picture of it one of the most scene pictures from the moon landing? You can tell a story any way you want to but if you want it to be historically accurate it should be included.
I agree the scene should have been included due to it's iconic status over time.
However, my point is that it is given the same importance in the movie that Armstrong gave it in 1969. He thought the journey to the moon was, by far, the biggest achievement. He would have planted the UN flag had they agreed to go that route.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:08 pm to GRTiger
No mention of Armstrong saying One giant leap for mankind instead of One giant leap for Americans?
I don't think Neil would have a problem with this.
I don't think Neil would have a problem with this.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:10 pm to OMLandshark
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Von Braun once reportably hung the 5 slowest Jews in his factory to “motivate” the other workers.
Substantiate that claim.
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The guy responsible for us getting to the Moon was a full fledged Nazi and a member of the SS.
Explain what you mean by "full fledged Nazi." Are you suggesting he was an ideological fanatic? What evidence do you have that would support that assertion?
His rocket program was run with slave labor, as was the policy of the Nazi state during the war. Do you think von Braun made the decision on how to allocate labor in late war Germany? Have you heard of Hans Kammler? Do you think von Braun had more say than him in respect to the labor procurement for the V-2's?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:11 pm to magildachunks
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No mention of Armstrong saying One giant leap for mankind instead of One giant leap for Americans?
I don't think Neil would have a problem with this.
He wouldn't.
I'm sure the decision to omit the flag planting had ulterior motives, but it's also hard to argue that Armstrong would have viewed it any other way.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:11 pm to TigerNlc
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This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:12 pm to Mike da Tigah
That’s really shitty IMO.
That is such an iconic part of history.
That is such an iconic part of history.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:13 pm to slackster
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Are you really trying to say it's impossible to tell the story of the first human on the moon without the flag planting? Is it really that pivotal to the plot?
Yes.
It can't be said enough- because it's the factual truth.
Ask the average high school kid to give you the name of the first man on the moon- without Googling it- and tell us what they say.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:13 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Don’t really frickin care. This is as bad as getting offended by the other 10,000 bullshite non issues people invent these days.
It can be considered shitty and still not offend you. We don’t have to like the decision.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:15 pm to Mike da Tigah
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the moon landing “transcended countries and borders
I’m like 99.27645% sure the moon landing was exactly the opposite and was the USA’s way of flipping the bird to the Soviet Union.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:31 pm to Mike da Tigah
I’ll be skipping this movie… I’ll always have “the right stuff” to fall back on
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:32 pm to Golfer
BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT the frickin movie. I said it first. 
Chicken got me by one minute..
Chicken got me by one minute..
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:35 pm to barry
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I mean 1000 years from now it will be a global historical accomplishment.
Plus it probably helps with international film sales. I don't really see a problem with it.
A typical O-T response.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
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transcended countries and borders.
It was literally called the space RACE. As in different COUNTRIES, were racing and competing. Hell, if they won't do it, Blob will
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:44 pm to ChewyDante
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Substantiate that claim.
Not sure how reliable he is, but Joe Rogan’s podcast is where I heard it: LINK
quote:
Explain what you mean by "full fledged Nazi." Are you suggesting he was an ideological fanatic? What evidence do you have that would support that assertion?
His rocket program was run with slave labor, as was the policy of the Nazi state during the war. Do you think von Braun made the decision on how to allocate labor in late war Germany? Have you heard of Hans Kammler? Do you think von Braun had more say than him in respect to the labor procurement for the V-2's?
If you are a member of the SS and Jews are hanging outside of your factory, then I’m not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. It’s one thing to be a member of the Nazi Party, but another to be a member of the SS. Those people were all in on the Nazi ideology.
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:45 pm to Mike da Tigah
Boycotting this movie
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:47 pm to 91TIGER
I guess I'll be curious how obvious the omission is. If its blatant then that will annoy me. My guess is that they didnt think about including it for whatever reasons or the ramifications for not including it.
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