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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:33 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:33 am to squid_hunt
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Remember how Putin annexed Crimea? He just walked in one day while everyone watched, scratching their head.
Again, he saw he had the opportunity to do so without having to fear about repercussions from the West. Look at the leadership in Washington and Brussels at that time. That’s why Putin took the Crimea when he did, he did it because he knew he could.
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:33 am to Darth_Vader
And the deeper fear is not just that the biden cabal (no one with a functioning brain thinks he’s the one calling the shots) will do nothing. This admin isn’t just weak it’s also very stupid. The real fear is that whatever they do, it will be doomed to fail. So even if they were to take action, the end result will certainly be a dismal embarrassing failure and likely at the cost of innocent lives.
That’s the reality of this horrible administration.
That’s the reality of this horrible administration.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:35 am to Darth_Vader
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Again, he saw he had the opportunity to do so without having to fear about repercussions from the West. Look at the leadership in Washington and Brussels at that time.
Or it was a planned event with Mr. Flexibility After the Election. And I believe he's being given the go ahead by our government this time.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:38 am to Havoc
There have also been grim signs of things to come from the Russian government. A new national standard for “Urgent burial of corpses in peacetime and wartime” has been introduced by the government in recent months. It will come into force on Feb. 1, 2022, and specifies the burial in mass graves to be dug by bulldozers, disposing of as many as 1,000 bodies in a 24-hour time period. Bodies are to be placed “in four layers, either in bags, wooden coffins or zinc coffins, prepared in advance… and subsequently covered with dirt. Then the mass graves will be compacted with a bulldozer, filled with “a mineral binder” and equipped with “devices for the absorption and neutralization of radioactive, hazardous chemicals and biological agents formed during the decomposition of corpses.”
Russia’s government agency responsible for the creation of the new standards did not respond to journalists’ inquiries as to the purpose behind this effort. Military expert Alexander Goltz told newspaper Novye Izvestiya: “Those who prepared these standards thought in terms of either a global epidemic or a global war, in which not only the military, but also the civilian population would die. This is only possible with the use of nuclear weapons.”
Former military spokesman Viktor Baranets concurred and added: “It may turn out that we will have to send troops not only to Donetsk and the Lugansk regions, but also to the greater Ukraine. We have a flaming fuse in the Black Sea region. There are also dangers in the region of Belarus and concerns in the Kaliningrad region. [NATO] has grandiose plans for the immediate capture of the Kaliningrad region, even with the use of nuclear weapons. And how, then, will we bury? One by one, or what?” He added: “We’re getting ready for the major crises.”
Russia’s government agency responsible for the creation of the new standards did not respond to journalists’ inquiries as to the purpose behind this effort. Military expert Alexander Goltz told newspaper Novye Izvestiya: “Those who prepared these standards thought in terms of either a global epidemic or a global war, in which not only the military, but also the civilian population would die. This is only possible with the use of nuclear weapons.”
Former military spokesman Viktor Baranets concurred and added: “It may turn out that we will have to send troops not only to Donetsk and the Lugansk regions, but also to the greater Ukraine. We have a flaming fuse in the Black Sea region. There are also dangers in the region of Belarus and concerns in the Kaliningrad region. [NATO] has grandiose plans for the immediate capture of the Kaliningrad region, even with the use of nuclear weapons. And how, then, will we bury? One by one, or what?” He added: “We’re getting ready for the major crises.”
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:38 am to salty1
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It was between Bush jr and osama...I mean obama. Don’t lump Trump into that mess. He did more to end that goat rope than anyone that preceded him. He saved lives in doing so.
I just meant from the perspective of fighting them. I included Trump because he actually took the limits off in engagement and quickly took care of the problem. Did not include Trump as negative, only time reference.
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Russia isn’t our “enemy”. Ukraine isn’t our ally. If Russia invades, so be it. It wouldn’t be worth one single drop of American blood or one once of our treasure (not that we have any treasure left). The MIC will find a way to get us involved, sadly.
Agree completely.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:41 am to Havoc
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That’s the reality of this horrible administration.
My fear is that Biden will continue with the mixed messages of part saber rattling and part appeasement. Mixed messages in matters like this are a recipe for disaster. Biden’s fumbling could lead Russia to feel confident in launch their invasion. At that point if the US and NATO do like they say and continue to supply Ukraine with war materials while also slapping Russia with harsh scansions, this could lead to Russia doing something like launching strikes against NATO logistics facilities involved in supporting Ukraine or shorting down transports bringing supplies in. That’s what would drag us into this war.
The real failure on Biden & NATO’s part has already happened. That failure is they’ve made a Russian war against Ukraine thinkable to the Russians.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:48 am to Darth_Vader
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So take your down vote and shove it up your arse.
I didn't downvote you, you insecure a-hole.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:51 am to Fun Bunch
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Putin isn't going to invade Ukraine this time around. This is a test. We will see in a year or two.
He would be a fool if he didn’t. The west is so destabilized at the moment, this is the time to strike.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:52 am to Palmetto98
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He would be a fool if he didn’t. The west is so destabilized at the moment, this is the time to strike.
It won't be stabilized any time soon.
He's seeing what kind of concessions he can get. he senses weakness and is testing the waters.
It will come though, eventually.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:53 am to Darth_Vader
after the way we handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan - I'm not sure Putin has a bit of fear about our response.
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:54 am to Palmetto98
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He would be a fool if he didn’t. The west is so destabilized at the moment, this is the time to strike.
As I’ve said, if he’s going to strike it will come in the next two weeks. If he doesn’t move in that time, he runs the risk of his offensive getting bogged down when the Rasputitsa starts.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:56 am to lsu777
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who gives a frick, if either of these countries cared they would have been ramping up spending on defense.
taiwan for examples only budgets 3% to defense....not a lot but ok sure. Only problem is for 5 years straight they have failed to even meet that spending obligation.
if they dont fricking care, why should I as the average american. Sorry not a cause im willing to send my kids to die over.
russia/ukraine is a european problem. let them handle that. they created it by not saying that ukraine cant join nato. so frick em.
again if the europeans cared as much as they like to act like, they would have been spending on defense more. only country in europe with a decent military is the UK, frick the rest of those slimey fricks.
I don’t disagree, and again, not advocating for American involvement either, in force or monetarily.
My concern is only the potential for expanded conflict which would involve us. If the globe becomes embroiled in conflict beyond regional concerns, of course we will be involved. Singularly, 100% agree that’s their problem. But there won’t be global conflict that we sit out of as the global hegemon with a globally integrated economy. That is my concern. My concern is this is the point of what’s going on to begin with.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:01 am to DabosDynasty
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I don’t disagree, and again, not advocating for American involvement either, in force or monetarily.
My concern is only the potential for expanded conflict which would involve us. If the globe becomes embroiled in conflict beyond regional concerns, of course we will be involved. Singularly, 100% agree that’s their problem. But there won’t be global conflict that we sit out of as the global hegemon with a globally integrated economy. That is my concern. My concern is this is the point of what’s going on to begin with.
i dotn worry about hypotheticals, ifs and buts.
if it comes to that and we get involved then we need to get fully involved and go full on war. no holds barred. if we arent goign to do that....then dont waste time doing it at all.
but it would take a lot more than ukraine or taiwan to make me support getting involved that is for damn sure as my rule of thumb is simple
- is the issue so vital and important that i would be willing to die and send my son to die for the cause.....if not, then dont ask others to send their sons to die.
there isnt a single conflict outside of an attack on american soil i would be willing to send my son to die for or die myself. I served and know what it feels like to be used as a political pawn....frick that.
frick europe and asia and us havign to pay for everythign while they party. they can eat a fricking russian or chinese dick as far as im concerned.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:33 am to SCLibertarian
"Democratically" is loosely used here, I hope.
Yanukovych was a Putin puppet. The people got fed up with his regime not going after corruption of his cronies and overthrew him.
US probably helped. (probably bc I haven't looked into it)
Yanukovych was a Putin puppet. The people got fed up with his regime not going after corruption of his cronies and overthrew him.
US probably helped. (probably bc I haven't looked into it)
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:41 am to dtett
Trump did not have an overleveraged hotel in Kiev
so he did/does not care about this country he could not pick out on a map. Putin would of done the same thing
so he did/does not care about this country he could not pick out on a map. Putin would of done the same thing
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:45 am to Havoc
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And the deeper fear is not just that the biden cabal (no one with a functioning brain thinks he’s the one calling the shots) will do nothing.
I would actually give them credit for showing restraint here. Not our problem. The neocons allied with Dems are falling all over themselves for conflict. This is the deal the Dems made with them to knock out Trump.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:13 pm to lsu777
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i dotn worry about hypotheticals, ifs and buts.
if it comes to that and we get involved then we need to get fully involved and go full on war. no holds barred. if we arent goign to do that....then dont waste time doing it at all.
but it would take a lot more than ukraine or taiwan to make me support getting involved that is for damn sure as my rule of thumb is simple
- is the issue so vital and important that i would be willing to die and send my son to die for the cause.....if not, then dont ask others to send their sons to die.
there isnt a single conflict outside of an attack on american soil i would be willing to send my son to die for or die myself. I served and know what it feels like to be used as a political pawn....frick that.
frick europe and asia and us havign to pay for everythign while they party. they can eat a fricking russian or chinese dick as far as im concerned.
To be fair the whole thing is hypothetical in this stage, but in general I agree with your viewpoint and respect, and thank you, for your service.
I agree Europe and Asia should deal with their own problems in their regions. The problem once it becomes larger scale is globalism and its affect on our day to day life via trade and assurance of trade routes. The right issue or growth to multiple issues then directly affect us. And again, not saying we should do anything, but we’ve outsourced so much production and manufacturing that we are at significant risk of effect through globalism, not singularly related to Ukraine or Taiwan (aside from we need to retake production of semiconductors domestically - we’ve been suffering from this through covid already).
To add to this, Europe at some point is going to freeze because of moves to wind and solar and really only back up being Russian LNG aside from not enough nuclear energy. We should let them freeze and learn AGAIN. I also agree with your points on Taiwan and China. Everyone should take their own security personally as serious as they can, from nations to individuals.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:44 pm to DabosDynasty
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(aside from we need to retake production of semiconductors domestically - we’ve been suffering from this through covid already).
To add to this, Europe at some point is going to freeze because of moves to wind and solar and really only back up being Russian LNG aside from not enough nuclear energy. We should let them freeze and learn AGAIN. I also agree with your points on Taiwan and China. Everyone should take their own security personally as serious as they can, from nations to individuals.
agreee 100000x.
the supply chain issues we have now are 100% the result of gradually burdening domestic producers over time and forcing them out of the country. we have to bring production home or else we will be beholden to globalism and be forced into conflicts we do not want to participate in.
and on europe.....thats a big yes sir. both the USA and Europe should be getting all electical power from Nuclear. it is the cleanest energy source known to man. We can manage without it but europe cant and they need to reap the rewards for their environmental wokeness and lack of common sense.
personally....who cares if they are speaking russian in paris in 2027....i dont care either way.
and honestly we are to blame just as much. we continue to put our nose in regional elections like we did in ukraine. we continue to want to keep the cold war mentality with russia, we continue to allow ourselves to have it broken off in us by europe, nato and the un. we have to wake the frick up too.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:55 pm to DabosDynasty
Wouldn't more reliance on hydro, solar, and wind be a good energy hedge here against conflict in Russia?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:56 pm to LSUneaux
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