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re: Robert E. Lee claimed his first battlefield victory on this day 164 years ago...
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:09 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:09 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
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“The South” was another country, poor people fighting for its rich people
Oh for fricks sake. As if there weren't draft riots in the North over the rich buying their sons out of the war.
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Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:15 pm to greenbean
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Would have had to free the slaves for UK or France to get involved and that was the whole reason for the war.
They’d have had to do it even if they won the war. Britain was shutting that down everywhere.
If the South had presented a plausible plan to wind down that institution then they’d have won.
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:50 pm to TIGERHOLD
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The confederacy was a doomed effort from the start
I mean. The Confederacy was one late evening push on day one of Gettysburg from likely ending the battle and having Lincoln sue for peace. Or an 8th assault up the fateful Round Top on day 2. Or cavalry rounding behind the union center on day 3 to meet Pickett's Charge.
McClelland's timidity gave quite the opportunity.
Posted on 6/27/26 at 11:05 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
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Just think, God is even cool with en slaving his creation, breaking up families, and punishment and torture for select few…to enrich the select few.
The Bible is not a political manifesto. The message of the Bible is to honor God no matter your circumstances. Obey your leaders and be an obedient servant if you are one. The Bible also commands leaders to honor God and slave owners to treat their servants well.
Romans 13:1-7
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
1 Timothy 2:1-2
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
Ephesians 6:5-9
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:54 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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The Bible only controls slavery and does not even eradicate it. Just think, God is even cool with en slaving his creation, breaking up families, and punishment and torture for select few…to enrich the select few.
Biblical slavery is not the same as it was in the US, so I’m not sure you can say God was “cool” with that. For example:
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Ex 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
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Ex 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:12 am to nealnan8
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quote:Robert E. Lee I think you mean Allen Toussaint.
Nicely done
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:00 am to Barbellthor
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Or an 8th assault up the fateful Round Top on day 2.
Little Round Top was not that important.
Had the 20th Maine broke and run it would have been the 15th Alabama, down half its men and almost out of ammunition, against a surge of Union reinforcements moving to sure up that area. The 47th and 4th Alabama, as well as the 4th and 5th Texas, had already retreated from the area by the time the 20th Maine decided to fix bayonets and charge the exhausted veterans of the 15th Alabama.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:13 am to TIGERHOLD
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confederacy
Notice you got your little dig in with the lowercase ‘c’ .
I wish the South would have won,
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:18 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
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If the South had presented a plausible plan to wind down that institution then they’d have won.
100%
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:18 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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The South” was another country, poor people fighting for its rich people
Have you seen the people who are in the US armed forces today?
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:24 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Because he fought for the U.S. Constitution?
Because he was a traitor to the US Constitution.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:36 pm to greenbean
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100%
To add to this, the slavery thing is quite literally what held Britain back.
They had a very keen interest in intervening to keep the U.S. from getting to powerful (just like they always do with France and Germany), but it was outweighed - barely - by their fervent anti-slavery bent at that time.
Ironically enough it worked out better for them just a bit later because a divided America couldn’t have made the same impact we did in WW1 and WW2.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:19 pm to RollTide1987
While we are talking about overrated generals, can we talk about General Bragg? How the hell did arguably one of the worst generals ever get a fort named after him?
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:28 pm to RollTide1987
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surge of Union reinforcements moving to sure up that area.
Certainly that. But, had the confederates known that Maine was literally without ammunition and assaulted once more, they would have overcome that flank. With whatever unit. And then who knows what, as this kind of warfare is so interesting. Outright numbers often crumbled under momentum.
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The 47th and 4th Alabama, as well as the 4th and 5th Texas, had already retreated from the area by the time the 20th Maine decided to fix bayonets and charge the exhausted veterans of the 15th Alabama.
Makes sense, as the rebels had abandoned the assault.
In any case, Sabaton should do a song about it. It's honestly a historically underrated last ditch charge.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:38 pm to CR4090
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While we are talking about overrated generals, can we talk about General Bragg? How the hell did arguably one of the worst generals ever get a fort named after him?
What’s crazy is everyone acknowledges he was terrible. If anything, the libs should want to preserve that name for the fort
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:50 pm to Barbellthor
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Sabaton should do a song about it. It's honestly a historically underrated last ditch charge.
Iced Earth already did it. From the song Hold At All Costs: LINK
The union flank's in trouble
To the round top on the double
A bad decision, insubordination
Exposed our line in a dangerous way
The burden lies upon us
Surrender is not an option
We are the flank and if we break
The union crumbles, we could lose the war
Down below's the carnage
The rebels charging onward
Push the slaughter forward, the peach orchard
Through the wheat field and devil's den
The valor of the Texans
And Alabama's best men
They're unrelenting and devastating
The last full measure of devotion's clear
We know what we're made of
When up against all odds we hold our line
For the cause that we so love
We must hold at all cost
We know what we're made of
When our nation needs us we'll stay the course
For the union we so love
We must hold at all costs
Wave after wave they're coming
Their power must be waning
We're out of ammo, we can't fall back, no
One desperate measure, a means to end
On their next wave we charge them
There is no other option
Disconcert them, force submission
On my command, fix bayonets!
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:50 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
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The Bible only controls slavery and does not even eradicate it. Just think, God is even cool with en slaving his creation, breaking up families, and punishment and torture for select few…to enrich the select few.
Dear Lord.
The Bible regulating an institution isn’t the same thing as endorsing it. It also regulated divorce, debt, kings, and warfare. Was God “cool with” all of those too?
You’re taking laws written for a fallen, ancient society and pretending they were God’s eternal ideal. That’s not how the Bible works.
The overall trajectory of Scripture is toward human dignity: “love your neighbor,” “do unto others,” and “there is neither slave nor free in Christ.”
You don’t have to believe the Bible. That’s your call my little edgelord pal. But at least criticize what it actually says instead of the Reddit-tier version you made up in your head. Throwing out “the Bible didn’t immediately abolish slavery” without any historical or theological context isn’t some devastating critique. It’s just an oversimplification dressed up as insight. (Ignorance)
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:04 pm to Obi Wan Ryobi
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Iced Earth
Wow. Somewhat deep cut. Good buddy in college had a cd of theirs that I burned. Once in a blue moon I'll listen to it and think of him. I burned the cd just to collect it really, but it's just some good ol metal.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:06 pm to RollTide1987
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Little Round Top was not that important. Had the 20th Maine broke and run it would have been the 15th Alabama, down half its men and almost out of ammunition, against a surge of Union reinforcements moving to sure up that area. The 47th and 4th Alabama, as well as the 4th and 5th Texas, had already retreated from the area by the time the 20th Maine decided to fix bayonets and charge the exhausted veterans of the 15th Alabama
It’s cliche to say but it’s true: the South had a chance up until Pickett’s Charge (and it should be called Lee’s Charge if we’re being honest).
In college football terms, the war was like LSU/Bama on 1/9 and Pickett’s charge (for LSU) was Trent Richardson breaking through at the end of the game for that TD. People forget how tense that game was up until that point even if it seemed to be leaning a certain way.
But once that happened then it’s all she wrote.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:10 pm to Barbellthor
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Wow. Somewhat deep cut. Good buddy in college had a cd of theirs that I burned. Once in a blue moon I'll listen to it and think of him. I burned the cd just to collect it really, but it's just some good ol metal.
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