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re: Road Construction @ Jefferson & Government
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:15 pm to J Murdah
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:15 pm to J Murdah
quote:The bigger problem will be the removal of the yield from Jefferson heading east on Government.
What they did was take a 4 lane road and turn it into two lanes at the intersection only. I am already starting to see the problems were going to have here when heading East on government in the right lane and you need to keep going straight and realized you cant get over.
Not only can you not yield smoothly onto governemt. You must stop, and then turn right. BUT, you have idiots that are in the right land and TURNING LEFT! Thus preventing everyone from turning right on red AT ALL!
That takes a special kind of stupid and lack of consideration. Traffic will back up to Claycut/Goodwood in a hurry, and the Goodwood/Audobon shortcut will get busier for those who have the sense to use it.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:16 pm to Golfer
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Traffic count and speed data in other locations across the country with this set up suggest otherwise.
Yes, look how studies and data from other locations helped fight COVID. These people doing these studies have their agendas. They always get the outcome they desire.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:18 pm to Golfer
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The removal of the bus route on government during the construction has been nice… And I will agree with you on this front. Can’t believe they didn’t add bus cut outs
I wondered the same. I did a little digging, and the reasoning makes a little more sense.
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Reasons for Elimination of Alternatives
Before the Public Meeting held in December 2015, the alternatives that provided on-street parking and bus turnouts within the curbs of Government Street were eliminated from consideration due to the following reasons:
- Both on-street parking and bus turnouts require long areas of barrier curb with no driveways or side streets entering Government Street. Government Street has numerous minor side street intersections and very few blocks without several driveways entering the travel lanes. Only 3 locations along the project corridor were identified as potential bus turnouts. In order to find additional safe locations for bus turnouts within the existing right-of-way, driveway access to businesses would have to be removed
- On-street parking and/or bus turnouts, the required 3 road diet travel lanes, and bicycle lanes would not fit within the width of the exiting curbs of Government Street. The limited space available within the right-of-way forced the Project Team to choose between bicycle lanes, on-street parking, or bus turnouts. The Project Team identified that bicycle connectivity for the Government Street corridor was more compatible with the Complete Streets Policy and with the FutureBR plan.
page 6 & 7
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:18 pm to kingbob
quote:oh boy.
Lobdell intersection is being turned into a giant traffic circle.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:18 pm to kingbob
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Except you can often use that left lane to avoid the idling bus in the right lane.
And you can pass a guy in the right lane making a right turn or pass a slow vehicle that’s in the right lane.
A four lane is better than a two lane.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:19 pm to J Murdah
Your local government felt that traffic wasn’t bad enough and devised a plan to annoy and confuse you. It was felt that we did not have enough problems.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:19 pm to Golfer
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Traffic count and speed data in other locations across the country with this set up suggest otherwise.
I don't think this will turn Government into a nightmare, but I don't think it'll alleviate any backups. Getting stuck behind the buses will suck and the backups at S. Acadian by Catholic will be worse, but this will prevent me from my weekly near miss rear end when someone with no turn signal slams on the brakes in the left lane to turn at the CVS
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:25 pm to Not Cooper
All day erry day
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:28 pm to crewdepoo
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Do you mean roundabout? Two different things. I believe this one will be a roundabout.
It's a roundabout and will be less confusing than that shitty intersection was before.
DOTD (pdf)
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:28 pm to Not Cooper
Yeah. IIRC the intent is not to move traffic through quicker but to move it through in a similar manner but at safer/slower speeds.
I’ll eat my crow if this is a gigantic nightmare once completed. But I’ve always hated how unappealing the drive is given the nature of a good number of businesses in this stretch.
I’ll eat my crow if this is a gigantic nightmare once completed. But I’ve always hated how unappealing the drive is given the nature of a good number of businesses in this stretch.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:37 pm to Golfer
I always hated all the dips, potholes, and shitty pavement, but somehow, in repaving it, they kept the giant weird dips and craters between Eugene and the railroad tracks.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:49 pm to Golfer
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The removal of the bus route on government during the construction has been nice… And I will agree with you on this front. Can’t believe they didn’t add bus cut outs
Agree here, however, how frequent is this bus, and are there multiple routes that run on Government? Definitely can understand the annoyance, eventual solution to this is smart signals, transit-signal priority, and maybe far-side stops, but not sure if that will happen anytime soon.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:50 pm to NOLALGD
Constant, extremely frequent, like a permanent wall of empty idling busses in the right lanes when the route is active.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:55 pm to J Murdah
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Jefferson @ lobdell would be a better place for a traffic circle IMO
It would be gridlocked 5 hours a day from people on Lobdell wanting to go E on Jefferson.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:02 pm to kingbob
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Constant, extremely frequent, like a permanent wall of empty idling busses in the right lanes when the route is active.
This is somehow hard to believe in Baton Rouge but will accept if I'm wrong. General practice is anything frequent is considered 15 minute or less headways. For instance Magazine Street in New Orleans is a 2 lane road and has 20 minute headways during the day for buses. It rarely feels like you see a bus.
I will say if buses are idling in travel lanes or at bus stops that's an agency issue, likely with trying to not run ahead of schedule.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:10 pm to Golfer
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Yeah. IIRC the intent is not to move traffic through quicker but to move it through in a similar manner but at safer/slower speeds. I’ll eat my crow if this is a gigantic nightmare once completed. But I’ve always hated how unappealing the drive is given the nature of a good number of businesses in this stretch.
You hit the nail on the head. If it makes the businesses more attractive and the neighborhood more bikeable, walkable, and safer, then it will be beneficial, even if it takes an extra 3-4 minutes in a car to travel 2 miles. And if it does it might result in less traffic as drivers choose alternative routes.
More fundamentally, this goes to heart of a current conversation around city streets. If the goal is to move cars through an area, then travel speed matters. However if the goal is to move cars in/out of an area to destinations, then speed matters less and safety and access matters more. The roots of this go back to planning/land use decisions of course.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:16 pm to Golfer
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Yeah. IIRC the intent is not to move traffic through quicker but to move it through in a similar manner but at safer/slower speeds.
This is the issue. It’s about making Government St. safer and more pedestrian friendly. Having a dedicated turning lane for the majority of the street now will cut down on accidents since right now you have people making a left turn and everyone behind them is trying to cut over to the other lane where you have people flying by at 50mph.
I don’t know what they are doing about the buses but I can only hope they cut down the number of bus stops by at least half because it was absolutely ridiculous the amount of bus stops they had on that road pre construction. Also they could move them to North blvd.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:19 pm to J Murdah
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I am already starting to see the benefits we're going to have here when heading East on government
fify
That only negative to this is I'm buying a house in mid city and property value has skyrocketed.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:27 pm to Crucial Taunt
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I don’t know what they are doing about the buses but I can only hope they cut down the number of bus stops by at least half because it was absolutely ridiculous the amount of bus stops they had on that road pre construction.
Great point, in many cases one of the reason bus service is slow is because there are too many stops. Generally, fewer stops allow for better service.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:43 pm to NOLALGD
The goal was to make Govt. St a pedestrian friendly shopping area. This has been 15 years or more in the making and was modeled around trying to make it like Magazine in NO. The whole point was to make it inconvenient for you to use it as a thoroughfare to and from downtown. The Mid City Redevelopment Alliance and the Mid City Merchant's Association only want you there if you are visiting the local businesses.
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