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Reason and Objectivity Are Dead

Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am
In my view, there is really only one reasonable conclusion to reach based on the events of the past week: Floyd's death was a criminal act; the looting and rioting were rife with criminal acts. The rule of law should be applied equally to all.

And yet I awoke this morning to chorus of media coverage - some from once venerable and respected outlets - that justified, excused, or otherwise apologized for the rioting. Some pieces suggested that the riots were the inevitable and richly-deserved comeuppance for historical racism (a position that negates individual volition, individual guilt, and the rule of law.) Others struck a more ominous tone: implying that if some unspecified demands were not met, more damage and suffering would be inflicted on the persons and property of innocents. This is a mantra more suited to a domestic terrorist organization than a civil rights movement. I am shocked at the number of otherwise educated and intelligent commentators who are willing to publically contort themselves to find convoluted apologies for flagrantly criminal conduct. It's irrational and intellectually dishonest. And infuriating, to be frank.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:37 am to
I dont feel sorry for anyone, and as far as I'm concerned they just took their underserved reparations from the stores.

This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:38 am
Posted by Crimson
Member since Jan 2013
1893 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:37 am to
If the response is going to be that the rioting and looting are justified then an absolute limit needs to be set that specifically defines when the price has been paid.

Add the damages to the reparations sum too.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
23208 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:38 am to
quote:

Floyd's death was a criminal act; the looting and rioting were rife with criminal acts. The rule of law should be applied equally to all.


I have culled my social media of people making justifications for either Chauvin or the rioters. Both are contemptible. I'm not going to listen to any argument that "this isn't the time to be upset about lighting our cities on fire and hurting innocent business owners." Is that placing myself into a bubble? Yes, a bubble with fewer retarded opinions.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86556 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:38 am to
Progressivism is regulated solely by whatever particular emotion or passion that any random Progressive feels at any particular moment in time. There is no requirement for truth, facts or critical thinking- in fact those things are disparaged. It’s Mob Rule and nothing more.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76231 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:38 am to
quote:

And yet I awoke this morning to chorus of media coverage - some from once venerable and respected outlets
Edward R. Murrow & Eric Sevareid have been gone a long time now.

Just like any journalistic integrity of their former workplace.

It's time to move on from beating this extinct horse.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71232 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:43 am to
Objectivity was always an illusion, but the veil has been lifted completely. Partisanship has always been the name of the game, it’s just finally out in the open.

We exist in a post-truth world. The institutions charged with defining what is fact verses what is fiction have revealed themselves to also be driven by partisan interests, willing to reject obvious truths and parrot falsehoods out of a spirit of political gamesmanship.

All truth has become subjective. All humor has become partisan politics. All news has become activism. All communication has become surveillance. All law-enforcers have become criminals. All preachers are sinners. All sinners are saints. The objective has become subjective, and the subjective objective.

Our entire society and the rule of law have been revealed to be but a shibboleth. It is up to each and every one of us to decide what is true to us, and live accordingly.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:44 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28118 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:44 am to
quote:

I dont feel sorry for anyone, and as far as I'm concerned they just took their underserved reparations from the stores.
Ok then, now we’re all square.

Smooth sailing from here on out.
Posted by Uptowner
The OP
Member since Oct 2019
2030 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:45 am to
quote:

Reason and Objectivity Are Dead


And you're just noticing this? Did you spend recent decades in a coma?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87749 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:48 am to
The most troubling aspect in all of this - Covid, Floyd, etc. is the complete irrelevance of truth.

Media and politicians will straight faced tell us that it's a common thing for black people to be killed by the police for minor crimes or no reason at all. It's verifiably false.

The same people will start getting uncomfortable if you ask them if burning a business or beating up a person in the street is wrong, because they're so terrified of being deemed unwoke.

Truth is dead.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5659 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:12 am to
quote:

Our entire society and the rule of law have been revealed to be but a shibboleth. It is up to each and every one of us to decide what is true to us, and live accordingly.


Unfortunately, I don't believe this is a viable path forward. The views of one sect will inevitably clash with the views of another. Without reason or the rule of law to mediate, these disputes will be settled by force and violence.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5659 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:13 am to
quote:

The most troubling aspect in all of this - Covid, Floyd, etc. is the complete irrelevance of truth.


Agree. This is disturbing.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71232 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Unfortunately, I don't believe this is a viable path forward. The views of one sect will inevitably clash with the views of another. Without reason or the rule of law to mediate, these disputes will be settled by force and violence.


It is not meant to be sustainable. This is an engineered collapse. Your goal is not to prevent it or simply survive it, but to win it. The winner will get to decide what the truth is, was, and shall be going forward.

When being armed with the truth isn’t enough, arm yourself with the law. When the law is not enough, it is time to arm yourself with arms.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:17 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:19 am to
Got to go with this being my favorite example over the week.


Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71232 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:23 am to
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5659 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:26 am to
quote:

It is not meant to be sustainable. This is an engineered collapse. Your goal is not to prevent it or simply survive it, but to win it. The winner will get to decide what the truth is, was, and shall be going forward.


This is grim. But I have to admit I've had similar thoughts. Is it your view, then, that we are inexorably headed towards schism, armed conflict, war?
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8396 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:27 am to
They aren’t dead just taking a little weed nap
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4769 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:28 am to
PostModernism

Logic is not truth anymoure.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71232 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:30 am to
The war has been ongoing for 60 years. This is a culture war. It may become a shooting war, but I’m not certain. I don’t know in what form this revolution will be concluded, but it is always escalating. The only constant is change. Peace and democracy are never sustainable long term. The end result is always empire, collapse, or Balkanization.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:32 am to
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Peace and democracy are never sustainable long term.
What makes it great is a double edged sword. It would take an insane amount of effort or the perfect conditions for it to be sustainable super long term
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