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re: Reason and Objectivity Are Dead

Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:39 am to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:39 am to
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PostModernism

Logic is not truth anymoure.


Sorta. To be more precise, logic and truth are personalized. Everyone is assumed to have their own “logic”, molded and shaped by their unique experiences, culture, and values. Truth is viewed through this personalized lens as well such that “truth” becomes redefined as perception. This way, truth becomes impossible to pin down, as it is informed by emotion and personalized to each individual.

The end result is the same, that there is no truth, but the means of getting there inform more about post-modernism in general. The idea is that a certain group (known collectively as Western Civilization) had previously defined truth for all as that arrived through the logic their culture formed from their experiences and values at the expense of all other points of view. This is done to shout down opposition to bad and false ideas as simply being arrived at through “non-Western” logic. Thus, logic, becomes a cultural construct, and criticizing bad ideas becomes criticizing culture, which creates a racism trap. Arguing against ideas which seek to undermine western civilization is racist because those ideas came from other cultures. Thus, western civilization is racist for excluding them. Thus anyone who supports western civilization is racist. This is how Marxists play these games.

It’s always easier to play the game when you know the enemy’s playbook.
Posted by chateaublanc
Member since Apr 2020
1118 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:10 pm to
Floyd was a POS as was the idiot cop. The rioters and looters are POS. Its time for the adults in the room to take charge
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5659 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:33 pm to
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kingbob


I agree with much of what you write. Yes, the sophists and panderers seek not merely to efface reason and law, but to vilify any exercise of logic that results in politically inconvenient conclusions. It's the chaotic and reckless terminus of relativism. Their true purpose, of course, is to sow a belief system which allows them to appropriate wealth and opportunity.

You very eloquently describe the conundrum, but are more silent on prescriptive tactics. If a game is afoot, what are the countermeasures for the proponents of reason?

I'm not attempting to lure you into a debate. I'm genuinely curious. I find this conversation refreshing. It's difficult to even find a forum to discuss these underlying issues frankly without being condemned by shrill voices. There must be many more who perceive the underlying dynamics, but I yet to find them.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71232 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 12:41 pm to
I’m not sure what the answer is. This movement controls our media, academia, public school textbooks, and dominates political discussion. Our institutions and elections are openly fraudulent. The only way to win is to out-market them, and defeat them at the ballot box. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but when the skylight is controlled by those who would rather we remain in the dark, it is difficult.

First is to keep a level head. The media is not reality, but rather wish-casting. Twitter is not reality. Facebook is not reality. Reddit is not reality. These sources are filled with fake accounts, bots, and paid for activists who shill whatever they’re told to shill while the media companies themselves repress countering views. Talk to people in person, that is reality.

I do not know what the solution is, but capitulation isn’t an option. We are not dealing with people with intellectual honesty, moral consistency, shame, or any self-awareness. Challenging them on these grounds does nothing. The best way is to connect with people on a micro level. Win personal interactions through common ground and mutual enemies. Most of those who parrot falsehoods in real life don’t do so knowingly or maliciously. Channel and redirect their frustrations to where most people are truly in agreement. Thus, you can use the foot soldiers of post-modernism to destroy the bulwarks used to prop it up.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 12:44 pm
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