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re: Rape Kits Being Used to Identify Women As Suspects In Criminal Cases
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:22 am to deltaland
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:22 am to deltaland
quote:Why are people qualifying this with "violent" when the example we've been given by OP is for a property crime?
How many women that get raped committed a violent crime before?
That can’t be high number
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:31 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I have no problem with this.
You should.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:33 am to Slippy
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So, police state then?
If you definition of police state is "criminals can't get away with committing crimes", then yes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:34 am to LegendInMyMind
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You should.
Why? If I haven't committed a crime, what do I have to fear?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:36 am to spslayto
In San Francisco, where the type of person that would be involved in a rape AND committing felony’s is probably shitting on the sidewalk and leaving needles everywhere?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:39 am to Korkstand
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Why are people qualifying this with "violent" when the example we've been given by OP is for a property crime?
Most posters don't know how to read.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:40 am to Dawgwithnoname
quote:You think trading rapes for property crimes is a good idea?
If you definition of police state is "criminals can't get away with committing crimes", then yes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:40 am to Dawgwithnoname
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Why? If I haven't committed a crime, what do I have to fear?
The far right: The government has way too much control! Down with government: They can not be trusted!
Also the far right: But it's cool the government has all my personal info, because I didn't do anything wrong. I totally trust them with that.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:42 am to Dawgwithnoname
quote:Do you have a daughter?
Why? If I haven't committed a crime, what do I have to fear?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:43 am to spslayto
So maybe I should have, but I didn't know we are setting up DNA databases.
I thought once the DNA was taken to solve a case, it was destroyed.
A lot of rape victims also may have committed a crime at some point. I think we still want them to come forward as a rape victim.
Also, I call BS that the SF police chief doesn't know what his cops are doing.
I thought once the DNA was taken to solve a case, it was destroyed.
A lot of rape victims also may have committed a crime at some point. I think we still want them to come forward as a rape victim.
Also, I call BS that the SF police chief doesn't know what his cops are doing.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:44 am to spslayto
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chief of staff to Boudin
groovy position
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:46 am to LSUFanHouston
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So maybe I should have, but I didn't know we are setting up DNA databases.
23andme and Ancestry.com are doing a lot of the groundwork already.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:49 am to TigerDeacon
quote:I wish people knew how much this is already possible.
Just wait until the government gets everyone's DNA from 23andMe or AncestryDNA. If they don't have it already.
Wait? It’s possible now. They don’t even have to be able to find you. They can identify your relatives by DNA and narrow down the suspect pool…. to you. It’s a major ethical dilemma. 6 million+ cold cases could likely be solved with DNA, if we are willing to give up that much more privacy and access.
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen is about this. Veritasium -Catching the Golden State Killer
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:54 am to patendedgmf
It was very interesting how they caught the Golden State Killer. Seems like police departments will use this more to solve some of the most violent crimes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:54 am to 777Tiger
The key issue is they consented to the collection of their dna. The type of crime is irrelevant in the inquiry as to whether police can or should be able to use it imo. If the decision is yes they can use the dna, it’s fair game for any crime.
They’re already doing it with 23andme like someone said previously
I don’t know the answer to the question but it seems like one could make an emotional argument that these women are submitting it because they were raped and still have an expectation of privacy because it’s a sensitive matter etc
They’re already doing it with 23andme like someone said previously
I don’t know the answer to the question but it seems like one could make an emotional argument that these women are submitting it because they were raped and still have an expectation of privacy because it’s a sensitive matter etc
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:55 am to nes2010
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What kind of crimes are we talking about? I don't think they are using DNA to solve burglaries or white collar crimes.
If they are investigating a crime and someone leaves DNA behind, I am pretty certain they are collecting it and recording it in their database to match with prior crimes (most departments are very behind in this practice, but it seems like their is a story about it at least once a year). Then when a rape victim consents to a rape kit, they need to run all of the DNA collected (including the victims) and put it in the system. I doubt they have a filter that limits them comparing it only to violent crimes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:57 am to Korkstand
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It usually tends to, but IMO it's a question of our motivation for enforcing the law. If our guiding principle is to protect law abiding citizens, then we probably wouldn't discourage people from reporting crimes as serious as rape. If our guiding principle is to punish, then it sort of becomes more about quantity.
I'm sure they are running DNA tests for simple petty theft.
Rape is a disgusting act that is and should stay extremely illegal. That being said, why should they get off from other crimes?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:00 am to LSUFanHouston
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Also the far right: But it's cool the government has all my personal info, because I didn't do anything wrong. I totally trust them with that.
I'm all for stopping it for everyone, but that's not going to happen, so why should rape be different? If a man or woman volunteers their DNA to clear them from one crime, and they hit on another, do they get the same protection? frick no.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:04 am to crash1211
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I don't have a problem with it because, somewhere else there was a victim of a crime that remains unsolved.
In that case, why don't we gather DNA from every person when they are born, and store it in a database that can be cross referenced any time a crime is committed and DNA is available?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:06 am to Proximo
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I don’t know the answer to the question but it seems like one could make an emotional argument that these women are submitting it because they were raped and still have an expectation of privacy because it’s a sensitive matter etc
hipaa?
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