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Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:06 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
How much money can we expect from the state or federal government to pay for the repairs?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:10 pm to Scruffy
quote:you sure do throw a shite ton of stones at New Orleans from New Iberia Baw
There is nothing in that city that functions well.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:16 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
This is NOT a city function. This is a federal govt out of state contract issue.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:16 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Pumps in NOLA flood protection system corroded in 5 years, supposed to last 35 years
they were too stupid to understand even fresh water canals have brackish water in them often.
engineers making millions of dollars cant see shite a 2 yr old could have told them about
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:18 pm to fightin tigers
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The amount a faith we have in the ORCS, and levee system in general, should be majorly questioned
This scares the hell out of me and I don’t live in south La. ORCS fails and you can kiss Morgan City goodbye. NO and BR will be fricked without the river. Pipelines, I10, power transmission lines, shipping on the river, etc all fricked. When this happens, and it will happen because you can’t beat the river forever, it will impact the whole globe.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:18 pm to gumbeaux
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What in the hell were the inspectors and maintenance guys doing to let the pumps get heavily corroded? That doesn’t just happen overnight. They don’t look at them at all over a 5 year period? The pumps need to be inspected and maintenance performed at least once a year.
maint guy walks into room, presses start button, pump starts and water moves, they check off the box that maint is complete and pump is in good working order.
thats how everything is done with city workers
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:20 pm to killedbyindians
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ORCS
What is this?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:23 pm to TFSUXASS
Bad guys from lord of the rings
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:28 pm to TFSUXASS
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ORCS
Old River Control Structure.
It's on the west bank of the Mississippi, north of Baton Rouge. It's going to be some shite when it fails, as it inevitably will. Not necessarily the end of the world, but it'll definitely be the end of Morgan City and it'll frick up operations at most every plant below it.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:31 pm to keakar
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thats how everything is done with city workers
Do you think a city worker is leaving his or her desk? I dont.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:34 pm to White Roach
Exactly this, I didn’t mean to imply it’d be the end of the world, but it’ll still be bad.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:35 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Move the city to higher ground and stop fighting mother nature and corrupt government
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:41 pm to killedbyindians
I read a paper by someone at LSU years ago, after the near failure of the control structure in 1973(?). It was interesting, but forecasted near end of the world/south LA complications. It's a very real scenario.
Interesting read and presumably available on the Google machine.
Interesting read and presumably available on the Google machine.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:43 pm to TheHarahanian
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But then I’m remembering when an investigation found storm drains across the city completely packed with soil, trash, and roots, when they’re supposed to be cleared on a regular basis.
Don’t forget about the cars packing the sewerage system.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:53 pm to Picayuner
The corp is involved in the engineering, approval and emergency funding but the parish owns the equipment and is responsible for maintenance. I have had large pumps on rent to Plaquemines parish since Ida. The corp funded them for about a year and then the parish took over payment. They had to wait 18 months to get the Cat engines! Also, a lot of other parts are non existent and need to be custom fabricated.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:59 pm to White Roach
Yep definitely a good read. If I remember correctly sediment made it difficult to close the gates and it threatened to blow the whole structure out. That may have been a different incident as there have been a few close calls. Also, a lot of people like to shite on ACOE but I got to give them props. They have successfully forced the river to go hard left past BR and NO for over a hundred years when it wants to go straight to the gulf, but all that success will be forgotten the day it fails.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:10 pm to gumbeaux
To have a 35 year life on a big pump like this , it starts with the initial specification for material specification, cathodic protection systems, lubrication systems, coating systems, and support systems for ease of maintenance. Peter Kiewit Construction should have involved their off shore oil platform technologists but were probably not asked to by the state employed project team. Next up would be a comprehensive inspection program to insure all aspects meet requirements. Then you got to have an ongoing maintenance program to pull, disassemble and inspect. otherwise you are doing breakdown maintenance, a poor mgmt strategy.
The one picture of a bearing support looks a bit like cavitation difficulty, and a bit like the bolting was an improper spec.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:19 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Well I have no doubt that no matter what level of government that this falls from installation to inspection/maintenance, they will have screwed it up.
A little positive though, for those that aren't familiar with the events that let to most of the city being underwater that much.... The outflow canals were stupidly originally designed to be sitting open to the lake. That allowed the massive storm surge to flow into the canals and blow out the poorly designed and maintained walls within the city.
Even just having a blocking point of sorts at the end of these canals as we have now is much better than it was.
I can't say I feel confident that anything south or east of the industrial canal(including other parishes) can be protected considering ongoing land loss and crappy government flood control measures.
A little positive though, for those that aren't familiar with the events that let to most of the city being underwater that much.... The outflow canals were stupidly originally designed to be sitting open to the lake. That allowed the massive storm surge to flow into the canals and blow out the poorly designed and maintained walls within the city.
Even just having a blocking point of sorts at the end of these canals as we have now is much better than it was.
I can't say I feel confident that anything south or east of the industrial canal(including other parishes) can be protected considering ongoing land loss and crappy government flood control measures.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:26 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 7:47 am
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