re: Property values in NOLA/East fixing to PLUMMET...Sec 8 may be cut to 2 years

My brother has some rentals that are all Section 8, inherited with a lot of land from our grandfather in rural Alabama. The renters are almost all poor white people, some on disability, some working at the 7-11 or Dollar General. If he couldn’t do those through Section 8, no way he’d deal with trying to actually collect rent from the people living there. He doesn’t make much money off it since he pays most to a couple of people who take care of all the maintenance and book keeping.

I always tell him I’d just as soon see it all bulldozed and trees planted there but I think he feels bad to kick people out and for the guys who work for him to lose their jobs. It’s the typical highway front property just outside a decaying rural town where everything for miles has been cleared for cheap buildings in ill-repair that are less than 25% occupied.

No idea if this proposed law would drastically reduce Section 8 renters but it is another example of government “waste” being more complicated than it seems, often the only thing propping up some areas from just being abandoned, for better or worse.

quote:

---

Where do you think they're going to go, exactly?

---

Somewhere they can afford, which obviously isn't where they are now because they're drawing Section 8.

You know how easy it is to be marked as disabled in Louisiana?

quote:

---

As a white liberal male

---

What is something I would never say or admit to anyone, ever Alex?

quote:

---

No idea if this proposed law would drastically reduce Section 8 renters but it is another example of government “waste” being more complicated than it seems, often the only thing propping up some areas from just being abandoned, for better or worse.

---

There's no true upside to maintaining generational Section 8 assistance, as with any welfare program. Strict limits need to be imposed and anything that reduces the tax payer burden on supporting the systems should be exercised. People who make their living off of those that utilize such systems better figure out how to diversify.

Section 8 is the single largest reason for the rot in our inner cities. It would be a gigantic improvement to our society if it was eliminated all together, but a limit of 2 years as this proposal prescribes would be a massive improvement to the status quo.

A non-disabled person of working age who makes poor life decisions, poor enough to require section 8 housing, will usually have kids that are a menace to the community. These kids will go to public school. The rest of the community that can flee will move so that their kids do not have to go to a school with troubled kids. Eventually you get Mandeville from NOLA, Youngsville from people fleeing Lafayette and New Iberia, and so on. The cities are left to rot with no investment and businesses following the productive people that dont need section 8.

quote:

---

Section 8 is the single largest reason for the rot in our inner cities.

---

Correct.

quote:

---

The rest of the community that can flee will move so that their kids do not have to go to a school with troubled kids.

---

People never discuss the true staggering cost of subsidized housing. As the ghetto inevitably spreads, defend people get pushed further and further out from cities. Outer city limits to suburbs to exurbs. Think about the incredible costs of infrastructure that has to be built just to accommodate the people fleeing the ghetto. The schools, roads, public services. The traffic and associated time and fuels costs. The hundreds of hours per year so many people spend sitting in traffic just to avoid the ghetto. It’s mind boggling.

quote:

---

There's no true upside to maintaining generational Section 8 assistance, as with any welfare program. Strict limits need to be imposed and anything that reduces the tax payer burden on supporting the systems should be exercised.

---

The upside may simply be that it's the cheapest downside. Kicking all those people out and abandoning the properties puts a lot of children in child services and create more homeless people tax dollars have to pay to herd/arrest/service etc.

Not saying I know the answer but I am pretty familiar with typical people who live in Section 8 in rural Alabama. I'm sure most people here do too:

Crystal has 5 kids, can't stay on her feet due to diabetes, weighs 300 lbs. Baby's father, Hotshot, is in and out of jail for petty stuff like driving without a license (DUIs) and can't hold any job whatsoever for more a few weeks. Both are totally useless but they have 5 children and a couple are already 14 so grandkids are soon on the way.

These types started to skyrocket in the 1990s (when welfare had already been in place for decades) and the main common denominator is the loss of decent paying jobs.

shite like Section 8 may well be the cheaper option to make them disappear until there's any real economic difference in how many Americans we can keep clustered somewhere near the median income level?

quote:

---

If you severely diminish housing assistance you better be doing everything you can to lower the birth rate too

---

Then you get Elon screaming “population collapse!”

section 8 is one of the biggest scams on the American people and the American taxpayers. It like social welfare programs are designed to entrap and keep people on the short term safety net programs for life.