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re: President Trump orders the reopening of Alcatraz Island Prison

Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:20 am to
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19444 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:20 am to
Alcatraz is a crumbling mess due to the proximity to salt water and the amount of fog that island gets yearly.

It would cost far more to rehab the place than it would to just build a whole new state of the art prison.

It's a novel idea, but not at all practical.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4592 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:42 am to
I’ve been there and they “don’t have to level it”.

Keep it primitive, just renovate the Guards living quarters etc…

But leave the rest just as is & tighten Any security concerns for breech.

Other than that, the place is like a bunker out there.

It’s been 20 years since I went, but they can just update the technology/coms and quarters for the workers & let the scum sweat to death inside
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88873 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:45 am to
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let the scum sweat to death inside


gets pretty cold out there in the Bay
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36790 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:58 am to
dumb, it cost more than regular prisons to maintain. frick that.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37580 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:33 am to
quote:

I’ve been there and they “don’t have to level it”.

Keep it primitive, just renovate the Guards living quarters etc…

But leave the rest just as is & tighten Any security concerns for breech.

Other than that, the place is like a bunker out there.

It’s been 20 years since I went, but they can just update the technology/coms and quarters for the workers & let the scum sweat to death inside
This is all very nice but he specified "a substantially enlarged and rebuilt ALCATRAZ." The island is 22 acres with a bit over half of that (13 acres) suitable for building. So, what we're talking about is building a substantially larger prison than currently exists and support facilities in a Walmart parking lot.

Only way I can see that possibly working is building up which would absolutely require the demolition of the current structure.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
9073 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:40 am to
I'm as MAGA as they come and while it's a great idea in theory, I believe the reason it was closed to begin with was the astronomical operating costs. So it doesn't seem to be economically viable. I would be all for putting the worst criminals there and letting them fend for themselves but the ACLU and other like minded organizations would sue nonstop.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37580 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:51 am to
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it's a great idea in theory, I believe the reason it was closed to begin with was the astronomical operating costs. So it doesn't seem to be economically viable.
That it likely isn't economically feasible seems to invalidate it being a great idea in theory, since the only new idea presented is to rebuild and reopen Alcatraz, no?
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46742 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:59 am to
quote:

it's a great idea in theory
quote:

I'm as MAGA as they come

makes sense
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37580 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 11:17 am to
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it's a great idea in theory


Here's an idea: Rather than throw pallets of cash at San Francisco, how about building it in one of the areas that took an economic hit after manufacturing jobs shipped overseas? That could be a reel boon to one of these places as opposed to San Francisco, where much of that money will eventually find its way into dem politicians pockets and programs that this board hates.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16724 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

And isn't ADX Florence supposed to be hell on earth? Why do we need a new one?


In a perfect world we would need the extra space for politicians and judges.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16724 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:01 pm to
If this is for illegals, we should just build a tent city in extreme remote area in New Mexico or Arizona. The federal government already owns the vast majority of that area. Then ship every single illegal there. Build a courthouse for the immigration judges, but tell the illegals they can go home whenever they want. Or wait for years to see a judge.

Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58310 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:10 pm to
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per treaty if Alcatraz stops serving as a prison it reverts to the Indians
until the new treaty is signed. All this indian stuff is just out of respect. They lost the war, they shouldnt be "entitled" to anything. They feel they are so important, go watch the story about the WLF Agent driving on a sate road and the Tribal police tried to arrest him, for "trespassing"
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33915 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:12 pm to
This will never happen.

Trump is an idiot.
Posted by Barrister
Member since Jul 2012
5214 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:58 pm to
Dude clearly watched THE ROCK recently. I can't wait til he watches some of the MCU movies and suggest we build THE RAFT
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2418 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 5:22 pm to
If he wants a prison island, why not buy back Singing River Island off Pascagoula MS? It was a naval station until 2006 and has a lot of usable building and they could build some large prison barracks no problem. Alcatraz is old and would need a total makeover. Cheaper to send them down south to friend territory and let them rot in the heat of the Gulf of America
Posted by NotYourDaddy
Member since Feb 2022
213 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 6:18 pm to
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Alcatraz is a crumbling mess due to the proximity to salt water and the amount of fog that island gets yearly


Totally agree on the salt water. It's corrosive as hell. Fog? Give me a break.
Posted by MSUDawg98
Ravens Flock
Member since Jan 2018
12379 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 7:03 pm to
quote:

And guess what the Indians want to do w/it?
The same thing they did to the Dutton Ranch?
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7159 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

r treaty if Alcatraz stops serving as a prison it reverts to the Indians


I believe the treaty referenced by protestors in the 60s was the Treaty of Fort Laramie, which seems specious at best.

The Treaty of Fort Laramie didn’t involve the lands of California or any tribes that inhabited that area so I don’t think the terms of that treaty would be considered applicable.

Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31340 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

I'm as MAGA as they come and while it's a great idea in theory



Except no it’s not
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19444 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 7:37 am to
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Fog? Give me a break.



Really Clyde??? Why do you think the Golden Gate Bridge is in constant cycles of scraping, sandblasting, priming and painting. None of those metal parts are anywhere near the saltwater of S.F. Bay.
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