re: Police storm Sydney Cafe being Muslim man- gunman dead and 1 hostage dead

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We should bring back the internment camps. Let the Japanese Americans run them. You know, to be fair and such.

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George Takei and his husband as camp wardens would cause quite a stir.

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So is this still going in?

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It's over.

Looks like the hostage taker and 1 hostage are dead.

Several others were wounded.

If your point is that consumption of some literature which may be used by radicals doesn't make the reader a radical, I agree.

But considering Mein Kampf isn't a religious work in the sense that Milestones is, I definitely think the distinction is notable.

And on another level, I think there are a lot of Muslims who read/study the writings of Qutb or Wahhabi literature or other works that lend themselves to radicalization as part of their Islamic education. Some remain relatively moderate, some become violent, and some would likely fall into another category, something like "non-violent islamist."

Contrast that with Mein Kampf. Obviously some radicals read it for their own edification, but the huge majority read it to study Hitler or the reich. Not a lot of middle ground. It's not required reading for any significant portion of any faith.

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If your point is that consumption of some literature which may be used by radicals doesn't make the reader a radical, I agree.

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That is my point.

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But considering Mein Kampf isn't a religious work in the sense that Milestones is, I definitely think the distinction is notable.

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I brought up Mein Kampf because of the level of controversy associated with it. In terms of the western world, I figured it would be the best to use as an example for comparison with Milestones. The type/level of radicalization inspiration between the two books is very different, you're right. Religious association aside, however, the ideas in these two books can be blamed for violent movements, and someone who turns to them for inspiration are suspect.

Many Muslims will read Qutb, Wahhab, or Maududi to understand how radicalization happens so that they may be able to prevent it, since it is all about interpretation of the Quran. That is why an imam encouraging Muslims to read this literature isn't necessarily a sign of Sharia or Islamiiya-adherence, like the report above states. I know that peaceful Muslims want to eradicate radicalization because of the affect it has on their lives. It makes their appearance the subject of scrutiny and their places of worship the targets of infiltration. I guess that's the point I was trying to make.


ETA: Sorry to contribute to the derailing of this thread.

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I'm not sure it is possible. But it needs to be shunned and discouraged in the West. That is for damn sure.

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Is it THE WHOLE religion, or just the extremists? Because the very bible that everyone has then house also mentions murder and torture of those not willing to follow the laws of the lord. (yes new testament crossed those out, but they are in there)

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Is it me, or has Fox News been showing very little coverage of this story than other networks?

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BC Fox News is terrible and I say that as a staunch conservative. The others aren't better, but among cable news channels, Fox is at the bottom for breaking international events.

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