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re: Police storm Sydney Cafe being Muslim man- gunman dead and 1 hostage dead

Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to
Posted by CidCock
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to
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That is exactly the case with Islam.


20% of American Muslims support acts of violence against civilians. That's in America, where we can think for ourselves. Imagine what that number is in the ME.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to
It's time for Islam to stand against the radical side. Every now and then they do something but the media doesn't really report it either. Islam has a major problem and they don't see it. Why are all these young kids going over to the radical side? Personally I believe low education and being poor is a big part of it.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to
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Even if they somehow call their warped views, Christian. The rest of the religion condemns them.


Islamic leader/cleric quotes denouncing violence and terrorism of any kind

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We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”



The issue is the crazy radicals make up their own definition of innocents.

Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to
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That is exactly the case with Islam.




The statistics say you're wrong, and the silence from muslim leaders in the west say you're wrong.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:33 am to
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Neo Nazis and the KKK use the Bible (misinterpreted) as their base. You cannot join the KKK and NOT be a christian man who has accepted Jesus as your lord and savior. I think you have to be white, Caucasian as well.



The KKK used Christianity more for window dressing than anything else. The closest thing I could compare it to would be KKK = Taliban or KKK=PLO, but even that overstates the Christianity motives for the KKK.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:33 am to
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20% of American Muslims support acts of violence against civilians. That's in America, where we can think for ourselves. Imagine what that number is in the ME.




Please post these stats and their origin.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:33 am to
Thank you.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:34 am to
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the silence from muslim leaders in the west say you're wrong.



See my link.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:34 am to
The Nazi's were heavy into the occult. They stole their logo from an eastern religion for fricks sake.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:34 am to
Well I rarely see any "moderate" Western Muslims come forward and say that they don't agree with the radicals, so what does that tell me?

I think we've reached a boiling point with them and things are going to get ugly.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 10:35 am
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:34 am to
LINK



There are many, many more scholarly papers and studies besides this one.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:34 am to
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Individually, of course not. As a way of life, yes.

Kill Hitler, game over. Kill Bin Laden, there are many others who hate America ready to take over.


Total American casualties in the war on terror - 66,000+

Total American casualties in WWII - 420,000+
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:35 am to
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Police identify Sydney assailant as Iranian refugee facing sexual assault charges


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“These people are a disgrace to their country and their religion.” Islamic leaders in Sydney decry hostage situation
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 10:36 am
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:35 am to
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Personally I believe low education and being poor is a big part of it.



Thats the BIGGEST part of it. They are raised in the caliphate and know NOTHING outside of how to use force/fear to get what you want. How to be hypocritical, controlling etc.

Not to mention how they treat women.
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:36 am to
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TheCaterpillar


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A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence. About 14% of Muslims in the nations surveyed (and 8% of Muslims in the US) said violence against civilians is "often" or "sometimes" justified. 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh believe attacks are either somewhat justified or often justified, 18% in Malaysia, 7% in Iraq, 15% in Jordan, 29% in Egypt, 39% in Afghanistan and 40% in the Palestinian territories. [30][31][32] The survey did not include some Muslim nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, but did include densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria and Indonesia.[33]
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:36 am to
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There are many, many more scholarly papers and studies besides this one.




Mine wasn't a paper. It was direct, publicly made statements from Muslim leaders across the world.


Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:36 am to
Too little, too late IMO. Islam is running wild right now and a one-sentence quote isn't enough to stop it.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:37 am to
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Well I rarely see any "moderate" Western Muslims come forward and say that they don't agree with the radicals, so what does that tell me?



This does happen, but the distinction between radicalism and moderates in Islam is more blurred than in other faiths.

There are a number of Muslim states where the distinction between state and religion is similarly blurred. The same just isn't true for other religions. It's a different paradigm, and the comparisons are difficult. Nonetheless, the moral equivocations are weak and pretty easily dispensed with.
Posted by Rebelgator
Pripyat Bridge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:37 am to
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“These people are a disgrace to their country and their religion.” Islamic leaders in Sydney decry hostage situation



Can't even say our.... Camel jockeys
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
Member since Feb 2011
8692 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:37 am to
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Total American casualties in the war on terror - 66,000+

Total American casualties in WWII - 420,000+


You think the war on terror is 1/7 of the way done?
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