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re: Planning on Attending Good Friday Mass for the First Time.

Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:46 am to
Posted by DVA Tailgater
Bunkie
Member since Jan 2011
2931 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:46 am to
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Ive been Catholic my entire life and have never been to mass on Good Friday once. Its not a ‘mass day’


Cmon on baw, let’s not do this. He wants to join us.
Posted by biglosdaddy
south louisiana
Member since May 2007
840 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:20 am to
I would say do the whole Triduum, as it follows the Paschal Mystery

It is my favorite time of the liturgical year because of the symbolism and meaning in each liturgy

Start with Holy Thursday, where we recall the Last Supper and the institution of the Eucharist. That is usually an evening Mass. It ends with a procession of the Eucharist to an altar of repose, and churches are usually open for a time of adoration after.

Then attend Good Friday service. It is a solemn liturgy, beginning in silence and remembering the Passion of Christ.

Then top it off with the Easter Vigil, where we celebrate the Resurrection. It starts off with the blessing of the Paschal candle, recalling how Christ is the light of the world. Those in attendance all have candles which are lit from that one candle. The church is in darkness except for the candles as the exult is sung. This would actually be cool for you, as this is a time where new Catholics come into the church. You could talk to them after and gather information/hear their testimonies.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22305 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:30 am to
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Go to the Easter vigil on Saturday evening.
Reserve 3 hours.... and get there 1 hour before kickoff to find a place to sit. Ignore hypocritical Catholics who comandeer entire pews for family by posting watchdog centinels at either end of the pew to keep people away.. and watch irreverent "Easter Eggs" who think it's a Mardi Gras parade.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18929 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:35 am to
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Once the first plank fell (sola scriptura)
What did this for you?
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
41609 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:45 am to
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Planning on going to most blessed sacrament,
good choice - Fr. Todd is a great priest.
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
869 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:18 am to
Multiple things.

1) Comparing the doctrine as defined in the original Protestant confessions to the scriptures.

For example, WCF 1.6 basically states that all things pertaining to a matter of salvation, faith, or life must be explicitly stated in scripture, or implied in such a way that you can deduce it by good and necessary inference.

Then realizing that, although scripture does speak of itself as being authoritative, binding, God-breathed, and so on, it never speaks of itself as being the only or even ultimate source for doctrine. So in that sense, it's a self-defeating doctrine based on it's own definition.

2) Performing a systematic study of early fathers and church history. Realizing that, although there was a high view of scripture in the early church, just as there is in the EO and RC churches today, references to scripture in the early church was almost entirely exclusive to the OT scriptures prior to Nicaea I, and the OT does not support sola scriptura. The utterances of prophets, for example, was considered an infallible source for doctrine, because it was God speaking through the prophet. The mode of communication was different (oral vs written), but it was still God-breathed, and didn't only become infallible or authoritative once written.

The early church was not sola scriptura. It viewed oral tradition as being on equal footing as the written word. It also viewed the consensus of bishops as being on equal footing with the written word. That is where the three-fold structure of the RCC comes from...Tradition + Scripture + Magesterium.

3) Studying scripture itself apart from the Protestant confessions and church history. For example, the Council of Jerusalem. It occurred sometime between 48-50AD. It wasn't recorded in the book of Acts until 80-90AD. Yet, the decree of the council (Gentiles did not need to first become Jew into order to become Christian) was a binding and authoritative decree the moment the council concluded. It didn't only become such 30-40 years later after Luke recorded the events in Acts. We know this because of Paul's epistles, the events in which occurred after the council and well prior to Acts being written in 80-90 AD. In other words, the council itself, and not the written record of the council, was the ultimate authority on that particular matter.

Same thing with circumcision in Genesis. Jewish males needing to be circumcised wasn't only an infallible and binding doctrine for the OT covenants once Moses wrote about it 2000 years after God communicated the rite to Abraham. It was binding immediately when God communicated it to Abraham, and continued to be binding as it was communicated orally down to the people in Moses' day.

4) Realizing that there was a period of around 16 years before a single word of the NT was written, and almost 30 years before a Gospel was written. Yet, the Gospel still authoritatively and infallibly spread far and wide in that period. Had not a single word of the NT been written, we would still have the Gospel today, just like the people in Moses' day still knew the story of creation more than 2000 years later and before a single word of it was written.

5) Finally, realizing that Jesus didn't leave us with the Bible and never told anyone to write anything down. Instead he gave us a church and then blessed that church with indefectability and infallibility. The bishops of the church then in turn carefully (usually) chose men to replace themselves with, laid hands on them, and charged them with continuing the mission.

This is what Irenaeus appealed to in his debates with the Gnostics. He appealed almost exclusively to apostolic succession, and the bishop lists kept in each NT church, because the Gnostics had the same scriptures as Irenaeus. So he had to appeal to another infallible authority in order to show them why they were wrong in their interpretations which were based on their reading of scripture.

Thats a lot and poorly written due to being at work and on my phone, but that's the gist of it.

ETA: it seems that a recent argument gaining traction in support of sola scriptura is the one James White used against Trent Horn in their debate on the topic earlier this month.

White basically admitted that sola scriptura was not possible to be true during the first century, because revelation was still being given. Then it was impractical to implement prior to Nicaea I, because the canon hadn't been discerned.

My problem with this is that the period of public divine revelation is precisely when I would expect God to communicate the single most important doctrine of the reformation to us, yet he didn't, as admitted by White in that debate. Another problem is that if it wasn't practical to implement prior to Nicaea I, you would need to show from scripture where it was prophecied that the doctrine would become true in XYZ time period after Nicaea I. That didn't happen either.

Then there's the issue of the canon itself. White seems to think that once the canon was discerned by the Church, sola scripture became a true doctrine. Yet, he disagrees with the canon. So the canon was a prerequisite to sola scriptura being able to be implemented, yet the canon was wrong until Luther corrected it in the 1500s. Just seems illogical to me.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14407 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:39 am to
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good choice - Fr. Todd is a great priest.
Yes, yes he is. He was one of my guys, ordained in 2011.
One of the permanent deacons there was my best man. I THINK he's singing the Exsultet.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18769 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 8:14 pm to
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I’ve found at most Catholic Churches it’s not like at MANY other denominations where you walk in the door and if they don’t recognize you they come and talk to you and kind of corner you in a friendly way - Catholics don’t do that.


Growing up, we would have new people/families show up now and then, and no one would say boo to them. Figured they were visiting family in the area and attending mass. Same when we travelled and stopped in somewhere. Don’t recall anyone ever glomming on to us newcomers the way many Protestants would. When I tell Baptists this, I can tell they think I’m lying because it is so foreign to their MO.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28120 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 8:26 pm to
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Will other members think it’s weird that a non catholic is attending?


"Your driver's at the front door and would urgently like a word with you."

Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
3204 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 8:31 pm to
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Protestants just worship isreal at this point.


Not all do... I can't tell you the last time Israel as a political entity was mentioned in my church. Only time it's mentioned is in the yearly visiting the Holy Land trip.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18861 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:12 pm to
Is it your first ever mass?

That's like watching Schindler's List as your first ever movie.

Go on Easter.
Posted by LSUbog
Member since Jul 2022
54 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:12 pm to
I will be getting confirmed Catholic this weekend. The RCIA process has been one of the best things I’ve done in my life.

I see people at mass all the time that I know and are not Catholic. No one will notice that you aren’t. If they do they are happy to have you. If they aren’t happy that you are there then that’s on them.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 9:14 pm
Posted by Knucklehead
Member since Oct 2018
295 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:15 pm to
Plenty of amazing things going on at MBS. Come and join us.

The Spirit is alive and well! Glory be to God!
Posted by Knucklehead
Member since Oct 2018
295 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:20 pm to
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I will be getting confirmed Catholic this weekend. The RCIA process has been one of the best things I’ve done in my life.



Welcome, brother!
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
29074 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:56 pm to
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Do you plan on bringing a sign or wearing a name tag announcing that you aren't Catholic?


This was exactly what I was gonna say. If you're a normal human being, how in the fricking frick would people figure out you're not Catholic?
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:56 pm to
Jesus died at 3:00. That’s why the mass is at 3. Catholicism is a beautiful and misunderstood religion. No one will think anything negative about you attending mass.
Catholicism is the only Christian religion straight from Jesus. Jesus told St. Peter to start a church.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48357 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:16 pm to
Stitches, you have hit a Home Run with this post that I have bookmarked for my own edification.

I tip my hat to you.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21154 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:47 am to
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Will other members think it’s weird that a non catholic is attending?


No one will know, and big holidays usually have the highest number of visitors. Easy time to blend in and observe.

Also, going off memory that could be foggy, I believe the Saturday Easter Vigil mass is when they had something for new converts being welcomed in to the parish, so you may get to see that happen.

Posted by StreamsOfWhiskey
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:31 am to
Wrong. Not only is the Catholic Church Not the church Christ established, but it’s definitely not the Baptist church either.
Posted by biglosdaddy
south louisiana
Member since May 2007
840 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:46 pm to
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Wrong. Not only is the Catholic Church Not the church Christ established, but it’s definitely not the Baptist church either.


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