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re: Plane crash in Lafayette
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:14 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:14 pm to Tigeralum2008
quote:The published single engine climb rate of this particular model is 660’ per minute. Don’t quote on this because it’s been a while but I think that number is calculated at max gross weight, at sea level and the inoperative engine’s propeller feathered with the landing gear up.
One engine can’t maintain enough speed to stay level at that altitude?
All speculation of course. We don’t even know if they had mechanical problems at all.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:19 pm to Tigeralum2008
quote:
Multi-engine aircraft can still fly with one engine correct?
Yeah, there are a ton of variables but as long as the plane isn't overloaded for the given conditions(Temperature, density altitude, humidity, etc...) you should have the performance needed. In the Air Force we're required to meet the published climb gradient for the airfield or 200' per nautical mile(whichever is higher) OEI(one engine inoperative). This is just general info though and not in any way related to my thoughts on what caused this. I have no idea if the aircraft on Saturday had an engine failure or not.
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If so, given the conditions the pilot might have been able to fly to an airfield with clear weather rather than immediately land
Yeah, If I was engine out with low ceilings like that, single pilot, and in a small aircraft, I'd probably look for clear skies elsewhere given a flyable plane. In the C-130 I wouldn't have any problem trying to return to the departure airfield.
It all really just depends though and there isn't always a clear right or wrong answer.
Again, this is just general commentary and not really specific to Saturday's crash.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:21 pm to JudgeHolden
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Am I reading right that the payload with max fuel is only 898 pounds? It has been a long time since I had to do weight and balance, but with six passengers, that ain't much.
That appears to be with full fuel and fuel is very heavy. I'm not a pilot and I don't own a plane, but every time I've been around private planes they usually refuel every stop. So they are not flying with full fuel. But I have no idea how normal this would be?
Most of these planes can fly for 4-5 hours at a time and you can get to half of the southeast in 1-2 hours. So I doubt they would carry full fuel often, but I have no idea?
That would be very tragic if it was simply overweight, but I doubt that is the case here especially since they likely didn't have luggage.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:23 pm to HerkFlyer
At ~800 ft did he have enough time to get back to the runway he took off from and would he have been able to find it?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:25 pm to HerkFlyer
Here's and update on Danielle Britt posted on her GoFundMe;
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words from her brother in law
Those that I have asked to pray for my sister in law Danielle Truxillo Britt deserve an update. She is very aware of everything that happened, the condition she is in, and the work,,and pain ahead to achieve full recovery. So if she were to write this she would be much more thorough and detailed especially with the treatment and care she receives at the Burn Center in New Orleans. Trying to be brief but between beating childhood lymphoma and recovering from a bad car wreck, and now being hit by a plane and crawling out of car engulfed in flames , she has extensive firsthand knowledge of what to expect. Enough for all of us! To the point, like many of you, I was back and forth between being heartbroken for what she is going thru, and celebrating because I have full faith and reason to believe she will fully recover. At first seeing her she was completely recognizable in her voice and her positive determined attitude but unrecognizable in appearance...I can say that because she caught a glimpse of her self in the reflection of the phone yesterday. I can also say that after seeing that the swelling from the burns in her face will completely recover to her prior beauty. Her right side, arms, hands, are burned to the extent skin would look as if it were crinkled up in small sections, exposing muscle in large areas. But thru treatment and surgery will also recover. In certain spots, due to swelling of body and shrinkage of skin her skin had to be cut in length to allow relief; like from elbow to wrist on underside of her forearm. I'm still torn between celebrating the condition we all know she will recover to and the condition she is in. My brother and I are in awe of how strong she is(although it's nothing short of my brothers expectations). I broke my ankle and wrist and my world was falling apart and Cory had to do everything and I wouldn't have had it any other way. I once burned my thumb on a firecracker and I stayed up all night in excruciating pain. Danielle was hit by plane, car thrown into pole, unbuckled, willingly crawled out passenger window, thru fire(car engulfed in flames), jokes with the ambulance driver on the way to hospital, and about 36 hours after is asking what exercises and movements she needs to do with her face, hands, arms to speed up a successful recovery. I have asked many of you to pray and I ask again, it is said that
"The prayers of a righteous man are heard" so knowing I'm not, I hedge my prayers thru Christ with yours and I know we are heard.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:25 pm to Elleshoe
quote:There are so many variables involved it’s almost impossible to answer.
At ~800 ft did he have enough time to get back to the runway he took off from and would he have been able to find it?
Theoretically if he did everything right and the airplane wasn’t overweight and the malfunction, assuming there was one at all, only involved the loss of a single engine, then yes, he could’ve made it.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Yeah my buddy that’s a pilot said “really you’re limited to what’s underneath you at the distance you’re dropping” I guess that’s fairly obvious
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:27 pm to Elleshoe
Not knowing what he was battling, I can't say. Just not enough info out there yet. May never get all the answers.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:28 pm to baldona
Turboprop engine failures are rare when compared to their piston counterparts. The props take care of ingesting birds to an extent. Fast hands on the controls may be a factor. Something uncommon occurred and there was an over correction. We’ll likely never know for sure.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:31 pm to Tigeralum2008
quote:
Multi-engine aircraft can still fly with one engine correct?
Small twin engine aircraft have a lot going on in an engine out scenario. During low speed, high power the forces on the aircraft are high. The aircraft yaws dramatically due to assymetric power and drag. Just to fly straight requires correct amount of rudder, correct amount of roll, controlling the sudden change of gyroscopic effect and reducing drag by feathering dead engine and/or retract landing gear. This all has to be identified, processed, and executed within fractions of a second just to maintain straight and level flight. Trying to change direction while fully loaded in a controlled manner is near impossible.
And that is just my experience from Flight Simulator. I have done full power on stall training while doing Private Pilot License. It is incredible how fast an aircraft can snap into a spin.
Video LINK - Aerodynamics of engine failure crash
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:32 pm to HerkFlyer
Herk, I also asked about engine failures being maintenance negligence vs “shite happens” and this dude said “50-50. Always have exceptional maintenance but sometimes it’s just bad luck”
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:48 pm to 91TIGER
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Danielle Truxillo Britt
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beating childhood lymphoma and recovering from a bad car wreck, and now being hit by a plane and crawling out of car engulfed in flames
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Danielle was hit by plane, car thrown into pole, unbuckled, willingly crawled out passenger window, thru fire(car engulfed in flames), jokes with the ambulance driver on the way to hospital, and about 36 hours after is asking what exercises and movements she needs to do with her face, hands, arms to speed up a successful recovery.
That woman is undoubtedly 1000 times tougher than most men including myself.

This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:55 pm to Elleshoe
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Herk, I also asked about engine failures being maintenance negligence vs “shite happens” and this dude said “50-50. Always have exceptional maintenance but sometimes it’s just bad luck”
Dumb question, but it's extremely rare for an automobile engine to just quit. If it cranks it almost always runs until you turn it off or it runs out of fuel, even with the shitty maintenance owners typically provide. It's my impression that airplane engines conk out quite a bit more often. Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:55 pm to Elleshoe
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50-50
I'd say that pretty much sums it up.
I've had engine failures in the C-130 and landed with an engine out before. It's relatively anti-climactic. An engine shitting the bed on you at rotation/immediately after rotation is another ballgame(I have no experience with this, knock on wood).
This is an example of an engine failure during the takeoff run(Well before decision speed) that the crew took airborne anyway. Aircraft was perfectly flyable on 3 engines that day, but the crew made a series of terrible decisions and they planted it.
I had an instructor give me this exact scenario twice in the sim. The first time he didn't tell us what was going to happen and we aborted the Takeoff. He told us it was the savannah crash scenario(or as close as the sim could replicate) afterwards. The second time he told us to continue airborne and handle it as an in-flight emergency. We took it flying and were able to safely get back on the ground.
I'll caveat this by saying that doing something in the sim is not the same as having your pink arse on the line in the airplane.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:05 pm to HerkFlyer
Below 500ft agl ....
Mechanical
Weight balances
Pilot incapacitation
No CVR or FDR it could take a year or more for the NTSB to reach a conclusion.
Mechanical
Weight balances
Pilot incapacitation
No CVR or FDR it could take a year or more for the NTSB to reach a conclusion.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:05 pm to 91TIGER
quote:
Trying to be brief but between beating childhood lymphoma and recovering from a bad car wreck, and now being hit by a plane and crawling out of car engulfed in flames , she has extensive firsthand knowledge of what to expect.
Your sister-in-law is an amazing person. I can't even imagine the horror (and pain) she experienced as she crawled out of her burning vehicle. Then she catches a glimpse of her severely disfigured face. But she's alive and the medical advances in burn treatment will, hopefully, return her to her former self. She has her family to support her and that is a big big help.
Hopefully this accident will result in improved safety requirements for privately owned aircraft. We should ALL demand it.
In the meantime we pray for Danielle and her family and for her spiritual and financial support.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:11 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
It's my impression that airplane engines conk out quite a bit more often. Am I wrong?
Yes
The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 is known for its reliability with an in-flight shutdown rate of one per 333 thousand hours from 1963 to 2016,
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:15 pm to Btrtigerfan
Has it been decided yet if this was engine failure or some other cause?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:38 pm to OchoDedos
If the passenger survives his story could help quite a bit if he remembers anything.
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