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re: Paging Shoebang - Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs Muy Thai for Self Defense

Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10954 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:22 pm to
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Master Toddy is LEGIT. Was based in Vegas I think.


Yes, that is correct.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10954 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:27 pm to
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If guys like that are showing up, it is a legit place 100%


Well that was ground zero for BJJ coming into the states. Our original school is in Torrance. Kron's school is in Culver City. Rickson also has his own place which seemed weird since I would have thought that he would train at Kron's school. Royler has his own school too although he spends more time on the road doing seminars. Kron also comes to West Monroe a couple times a year.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:27 pm to
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The guy that taught us was a former Power Ranger from the TV show/movies and as white as the wind driven snow. No shite about the Power Ranger part either. I know really nothing about MT instructors other than he was trained by some guy named Master Toddy and we wore the goofiest training shorts.


In law of mine trains at the one in Ruston, don't know much about it though

I copied the wrong reply it looks like, you mentioned Monroe
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1985 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:46 pm to
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I am 49 and have been training jits almost 13 years. I have broken my nose twice and broken a few ribs boxing but those heal (maybe a surgery for a broken nose though lol). What doesn't heal easily is neck injuries and I have had two pretty serious Cervical area neck problems and both of those happened rolling with young, reckless balls out White Belts during sparring. I am a pretty big dude and it never fails that if I get another big guy to roll with that is new to the game, they want to try to out muscle you and that is exactly what BJJ is not about.


Preach. I’m getting older myself and avoid total newbs. Broken ribs etc. A lot of them treat each sparing session like the ncaa wrestling championships. No thanks. Even though I get my arse kicked by purples and browns the roll feels more controlled and learning is occurring.
Posted by Skankhunt46
Member since Feb 2020
56 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 3:55 pm to
Rex Kwon Do
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10954 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 4:06 pm to
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I get my arse kicked by purples and browns the roll feels more controlled and learning is occurring.


That's because we know where you are going mostly so we can dictate the flow and let you make a mistake which leads to a submission. I rolled with Royler a while back and he told me that he was going to arm bar me within 2 minutes from the start of the roll. I said good luck, I outweigh you by 50 pounds and can at least grab my gi if I need to and damn if he didn't arm bar me. That's just years of mat time. The complication is when your partner knows as much as you, then it becomes a chess match, especially if it is the same guys in the same school all the time. That is why it is really good to bring in outside instructors to do seminars and take your gi to other schools and roll. BJJ is such an evolving martial art and unless you evolve, you become stagnant.
Posted by MiloDanglers
on a dock on a bay
Member since Apr 2012
6558 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 5:41 pm to
Best self defense is RUN!

But what if they get ahold of you and you cant run. Thats where BJJ comes in. You can escape and defend yourself until you can get away. If you’re hunting to be in a street fight then train some striking. But if you want to defend yourself, BJJ is the answer.

Besides all the other great benefits of training BJJ like fitness, community, and progress.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37577 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:46 pm to
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LOL...he was a great one! His fights with Mark Hunt are legit.


I couldn't imagine standing in a ring and looking across at that dude.

You think he's been hit in the face one or twice?
Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
in the transfer portal
Member since Dec 2009
2404 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:50 pm to
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There is a reason that the Marines have implemented it. It is light years ahead of their former training.

Yes. I recall LINE training when I was a young Marine.
The reason MCMAP was introduced as a close combat system is its versatility.
MCMAP allows the application of non-lethal techniques in a use of force continuum. LINE did not.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26039 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:53 pm to
The best discipline for self defense is called Back Away. Avoid the conflict to begin with, and if you can't, use Glock technique.

I prefer.40 cal. myself. It is highly effective when properly executed, and many times the opposition will back off entirely when you display it.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37577 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:58 pm to
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The best discipline for self defense is called Back Away. Avoid the conflict to begin with, and if you can't, use Glock technique.


Adam Carola on a recent podcast talked about starting a body guard agency called, "Fat White Guy with a Gun."
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29637 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:04 pm to
BJJ

I had 3+ years in isshin ryu. My take is muy thai is brutal, no doubt but the odds are you won't land a knockout before the fight goes to the ground and BJJ will destroy almost all disciplines in the ground.

If both fighters are equally yoked physically and with equal time spent in each discipline, I'll bet on bjj
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8933 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:28 pm to
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If both fighters are equally yoked physically and with equal time spent in each discipline, I'll bet on bjj


Nobody discounts BJJ. Everyone is concerned about getting kicked in the face by the guy's friend as you're choking him out.

I've seen a guy get kicked in the face by the other dudes girlfriend when they went to the ground. It will happen, and sometimes by someone who isn't even involved in the fight.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3276 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:44 pm to
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I am 49 and have been training jits almost 13 years


You are the only person I've ever heard that has trained for more than a month that uses the word "jits".
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7030 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:52 pm to
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arm drags


This is the ultimate self defense move. It opens a variety of attacks or gives you the opportunity to completely disengage and gtfo. Hello Gracie said that if you only know one self defense maneuver it should be an arm drag.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92999 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 1:17 am to
Krav Maga
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
25982 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:33 am to
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I'm pretty much settled on finding us a gym that teaches either MT only or a 'suite' of stuff for self defense. Thanks for the input guys.


Did you ever decide on one? If so, how's it going?
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8630 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:10 am to
These days you never know who knows what and a fight could have legal or deadly consequences. De-escalation is probably the best way to end a fight before it begins. Apologize even if you don't think you should. Buy the guy a drink and walk away, street fights are for idiots. Get up and leave if you're around an aggressive loud mouth as things can escalate quickly.

It's when you can't de-escalate that you need to train for. And the goal isn't to whup some arse, it's to do enough to evoke pain in your opponent and get way safely. Personally, I've been doing Krav Maga for 7 years with a great instructor. Really enjoy it.

I don't think there's one single fighting method for self defense. The best practitioners I've ever trained with cross-train in multiple disciplines. Boxing. Wrestling. Jiu Jitsu. Savate.

Learning to box is essential to me. Sparring (in a controlled environment, not a free for all) and learning to take and hit a realizing you can still fight if you do get hit.

Going to the ground is not always advisable, but not training ground is reckless. If you are not training ground you are not training self defense.

Constantly doing repetitions even if it's boring. You’re going to fall to the lowest level of your training. So make sure that training is damn good. It doesn't matter what discipline really, it's who the instructor is. Makes all the difference.

I chuckled at the newb comments. We have a guy in our class that was on the Armed Forces Karate team traveling around the world. It's hilarious (and true) to hear him say he's gotten injured more sparring with newbs that touring the globe. Newbs are generally uncontrolled and think the goal in life is to always whup arse and not learn.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 10:23 am
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
25982 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:12 am to
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I’m getting older myself and avoid total newbs. Broken ribs e


My back is a little wonky and I'd definitely be concerned about rolling around and injuring myself.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56817 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:17 am to
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You need to stay upright, strike, and GTFO.

Going to the ground with your opponent’s friends around will lead to you getting several boots to the head.


I always thought Judo would be great for self defense. Most fights i've seen start with a couple wild haymakers that never land, then 2 dudes hugging, grabbing each other.
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