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re: OT lawyers:Can a non-compete in Louisiana restrict me from working in every single parish?

Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by Charlie Arglist
Wichita, Kansas
Member since Nov 2012
5550 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:50 pm to


NO ONE will stop you from working in East Carroll Parish.

Good luck.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:55 pm to
This question gets asked here a lot and everytime the thread is full of wrong answers from non lawyers or lawyers who don't deal with this shite. Pay someone for real advice.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 6:56 pm to
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This question gets asked here a lot and everytime the thread is full of wrong answers from non lawyers or lawyers who don't deal with this shite. Pay someone for real advice.


This!!! Some of the responses in this thread have horrified me.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:17 pm to
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You need to take this very seriously and not listen to some of the numbnutt lawyer wannabes on here. Most non competes these days contain clauses where you have to pay for your employer's attorney fees and court costs if you lose. Needless to say this can be thousands and thousands of dollars.

They do have to be written correctly but if they are they are enforced in Louisiana everyday.



In Alabama, I was always told they were unenforceable.....up until a former co-worker got sued over one. He lost big time! Ended up having to pay his former employer a lot of money.
Posted by specchaser
lafayette
Member since Feb 2008
2732 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:30 pm to
call the official injury lawyers of the lsu tigers.

stop asking for free advice on a message board(this is not legal advice)
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26063 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:35 pm to
You can enforce a well-written non-compete. I've done it a number of times.



Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:36 pm to
Does the non-competition agreement seek to restrict a puke W-2 or an individual who sold his/her business? This is the first question you should ask. That will be $495USD.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22360 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:43 pm to
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You can enforce a well-written non-compete. I've done it a number of times.



Not if it's done on a train.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35330 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:49 pm to
I am sure this has been mentioned but what is the subject matter? I haven't studied La law specifically in years, but typically the more limited and specialized the field the broader it can be geographically/temporally.

And most states I think now have some form of blue-pencil law that allows the court to omit the unenforceable provisions but keep the rest. I personally think those are kind of bullshite unless there's some overarching good-faith/reasonableness analysis. If we are going regulate contractual restraints on trade, then we shouldn't allow gamesmanship. E.g., making someone sign a super restrictive non-compete knowing it's unenforceable but sort of throwing it at the wall to see what sticks.

What was the question?
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9823 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:28 pm to
Yep. That’s what they are for
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55322 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:30 pm to
I don't think that such non-compete clauses are enforceable against gay male prostitutes.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32885 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:37 pm to
Assuming the rest of the NCA is perfect, you can be restricted from soliciting in any parish in which your previous employer has a physical presence or a substantial amount of customers.

Now stop being a cheap arse and bring the actual document to someone who does this kind of work for a living.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26063 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:11 pm to
True. There are a lot of terrible answers on this thread. This is generally true on any employment law related thread.
Posted by geauxchaz
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
245 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:10 pm to
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And most states I think now have some form of blue-pencil law that allows the court to omit the unenforceable provisions but keep the rest


This is how LA courts should handle the 64 Parish provision. That is, assuming the non-compete provision is otherwise valid, I expect most courts would limit the geographical scope of the non-compete to parishes where the company is actively doing business (or, perhaps, where it actively targets business, clients etc.). The court basically rewrites the provision to reflect a fair/accurate geographic restriction.

It’d be wise to check the entire contract for a clause with terms like severability or reformation (concepts like the blue pencil doctrine). Or anything that addresses unenforceable or void/voidable contract terms.

The courts will not rewrite everything though, eg won’t rewrite a 3 year noncompete to 2 years as to make the time restraint enforceable. Theyll just reject the entire clause.

It’s possible they’ll do the same and just void the non-compete outright b/c of the Parish list. But they’d likely first assess how blatantly unreasonable/oppressive the geographical scope is, and whether there is a severability-like clause allowing modification of unenforceable provisions as necessary to make enforceable or to accomplish the parties’ intent.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46850 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 3:58 am to
It is all in the verbiage, and sometimes the punctuation. Little things can make a difference.

What's that in the road ahead?
What's that in the road, a head?
What's that? Road head.

Ask a lawyer.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4987 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 4:22 am to
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He lost big time! Ended up having to pay his former employer a lot of money.


Any fire marshal worth his salt will tell you that isopropyl alcohol burns sufficiently clean, compared to other accelerants, that no useful residue will be left for their investigation.

Do they want the building burned down? Because shite like this is how you get the building burned down.
Posted by Coach21
Member since Jun 2005
904 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 5:35 am to
The statement of non competes are worthless in Texas is completely false. It is a huge missconcepfion especially in the oil field. If you receive any stock, bonus, retention it can bind you to the that non compete. It is definitely enforceable by law.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20151 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 5:55 am to
quote:

And most states I think now have some form of blue-pencil law that allows the court to omit the unenforceable provisions but keep the rest


This is how LA courts should handle the 64 Parish provision. That is, assuming the non-compete provision is otherwise valid, I expect most courts would limit the geographical scope of the non-compete to parishes where the company is actively doing business (or, perhaps, where it actively targets business, clients etc.). The court basically rewrites the provision to reflect a fair/accurate geographic restriction.


I hate this concept. I don’t think they should void a contract over a missed punctuation mark but the idea of the court rewriting/limiting a contract to make it enforceable is just wrong. Taken to the extreme, I could see a non compete that said: “Following termination of employment, the former employee is not allowed to be employed in any industry anywhere for a period of two years.” Now, let the Court work that down to the maximum legally enforceable parameters. Why is the Court in the business of editing contracts? Either it is a valid document or it isn’t. I thought that was the Courts job to decide.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:11 am to
Very good post but I take issue with this

quote:

The courts will not rewrite everything though, eg won’t rewrite a 3 year noncompete to 2 years as to make the time restraint enforceable. Theyll just reject the entire clause. 



In fact, courts in LA will modify ncas down to 2 years because the statute limits them to 2 years. Seen it happen at least twice.
Posted by Dawgholio
Bugtussle
Member since Oct 2015
13047 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:14 am to
Everyone gets out of noncompetes. Usually your new employer will find a way out. They are there more to scare the employee instead of being actually enforced.
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