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re: OT Lawyer advice needed—Stolen motorcycle recovery, bike secured NEW UPDATE p.35

Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:56 am to
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:56 am to
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Called my shot, 2 months ago....I'm going with option #2


I read that and thought this guy nailed it. There’ are a few folks in the thread that were spot on too. Good job Uncle Stu!
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:58 am to
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Insurance Agents are registered/licensed by the State Insurance Commissioner.


This may be a path and has been considered.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:01 am to
So you uncovered a chop shop.

Hopefully something comes of it.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:05 am to
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So you uncovered a chop shop. Hopefully something comes of it.


Th shop owner has more toys and I’d bet a paycheck they are stolen too.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156626 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:07 am to
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I think he believes that other than this discretion, Karen and Terry are good people and might not even know they were breaking the law.

There is zero chance of that IMO, simply based on the invoices thing alone. You don't find out a bike is stolen and then try to get the money from the actual owner. And then when he generously offers a deal that is mutually beneficial, you turn it down and send ANOTHER invoice for even more bullshite charges than the original one.

This is 100% something they have either done several times before, or do on a pretty regular basis. And I have a feeling 99% of the people they come across with this shite either pay something or wash their hands of it to avoid the money and hassle.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156626 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:10 am to
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Insurance Agents are registered/licensed by the State Insurance Commissioner. He/she may be interested in the illegal activities of a licensed agent. Go ahead and get another agency involved in the investigation of these crooks.

If this insurance agent is involved in illegal scams outside insurance, you can bet she ain't squeaky clean with her main line of work, insurance.


Absolutely. I would definitely look into this.

Because frick a thief and anybody who aids and abets them.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:12 am to
This thread is better than the Whop Head Dolly and Green Jeans thread on the OB years ago.
Posted by BruceJender
Houston
Member since Dec 2016
687 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:21 am to
I personally think Danny Smith would answer a lot of questions for me. He seemingly exists based on the investigator knowing him, and he was the supposed owner of the bike even though we know that is not true. I would really like to know how he plays into it, but we haven’t been able to find any information on him.

In regards to the bike, it’s been dead money for years. Not letting someone one-up me was a win in my books and Eitek1 helping someone with it is just lagniappe. Eitek1 is a great guy and clearly this wouldn’t have been possible without all the work he put in.
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Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156626 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:22 am to
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I personally think Danny Smith would answer a lot of questions for me. He seemingly exists based on the investigator knowing him, and he was the supposed owner of the bike even though we know that is not true. I would really like to know how he plays into it, but we haven’t been able to find any information on him.


That's why I wondered if that just happened to be a coincidence and a common name, or if the actual DS that the investigator knew had a hand in this somehow.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:36 am to
did you contact this guy?

Greg Andrews
Tax Collector / Assessor
Phone: 662-329-5700

Tax Collector / Assessor
1121 Main Street
Columbus, MS 39701


if not you should call him, play dumb and ask him about the title on a stolen motorcycle
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:40 am to
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There is zero chance of that IMO, simply based on the invoices thing alone. You don't find out a bike is stolen and then try to get the money from the actual owner. And then when he generously offers a deal that is mutually beneficial, you turn it down and send ANOTHER invoice for even more bull shite charges than the original one.


There is yet ANOTHER layer to this if you can believe that.

Based on the conversations I had (which I think are lies), Karen paid Terry 20% of the repair cost and took "possession" of the motorcycle. She also said she saw it when it was brought in after the wreck, which I know for a fact is a lie. Terry also mentioned this type of transaction had happened a few times between the two.

When BJ offered Karen the deal, she knew that she'd have to cut Terry in on the proceeds of the bike sale and prove it to BJ. She didn't want to do that, she wanted all the money. She never told Terry about the offer. Honestly from a legal perspective, Terry is out all together because he has been compensated for his repairs (Even though they didn't occur and are fraudulent). This is yet another reason why the attempt to get money for the repairs are a fraud.

I do know that Karen applied for a "bonded title" in MS on the bike in hopes of recovering it. She told me she did. She is using the abandonment process to achieve this. This is still an open "switch" in the system.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:42 am to
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if that just happened to be a coincidence and a common name, or if the actual DS that the investigator knew had a hand in this somehow.


I'm guessing the investigator "knew" Danny Smith, because ole Danny's had a run in with the law more than once. Being a small community, Terry and Karen knew of Danny as well. Even though Mr Smith didnt have anything to do with the bike, if they were to doctor up a dummy invoice off a known stolen bike, putting his name down on it may seem plausible, even if there isnt an ounce of evidence to the fact.

It's not like we're dealing with Mississippi's best and brightest here
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:44 am to
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That's why I wondered if that just happened to be a coincidence and a common name, or if the actual DS that the investigator knew had a hand in this somehow.


It's not really a common name. I've only heard of one person with that name ever, and that was the one on the invoice.

I think the folks that did this were just remarkably stupid and used a name from a previous invoice or something. The investigator let out some details about D/S which based on the information that I found out later are probably not true and may have been made up.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:49 am to
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'm guessing the investigator "knew" Danny Smith, because ole Danny's had a run in with the law more than once. Being a small community, Terry and Karen knew of Danny as well. Even though Mr Smith didnt have anything to do with the bike, if they were to doctor up a dummy invoice off a known stolen bike, putting his name down on it may seem plausible, even if there isnt an ounce of evidence to the fact.

It's not like we're dealing with Mississippi's best and brightest here


You aren't going to believe this but the Investigator actually knew his wife because they worked together at some point. D/S wife worked in the prosecutors office or something like that. I know this to be true because there were two cops there and they discussed where she worked.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33865 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:51 am to
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You aren't going to believe this but the Investigator actually knew his wife because they worked together at some point. D/S wife worked in the prosecutors office or something like that. I know this to be true because there were two cops there and they discussed where she worked.

Small town smarts. Good to know the Mississippi public school system didnt let them down
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18561 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:05 am to
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BTW... the calls are already edited for upload to YouTube. I was told not to upload them because for some reason they wouldn’t be admissible.



Who told you they wouldn't be admissible if you uploaded them?

Edited calls may not be admissible but just because a piece of evidence is publicized that doesnt make it inadmissible.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23036 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:14 am to
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Honestly, shite like this is what Nakamoto gets off on. I'd imagine he would run with this, and at the very least it would generate some attention to it which could make some consequences happen.

And even better since pretty much all of the legwork is already done for him.


I agree. If eitek can't get anything going with investigators or police I'd turn it over to Nakamoto or Zurik, whoever gives you the time of day.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156626 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 12:07 pm to
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When BJ offered Karen the deal, she knew that she'd have to cut Terry in on the proceeds of the bike sale and prove it to BJ. She didn't want to do that, she wanted all the money. She never told Terry about the offer.

Hold up, aren’t they married?
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2842 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 12:25 pm to
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Hold up, aren’t they married?


No they are not. I’m not sure what that relationship is but they are two entirely different people. One really likes gangster rap and one likely listens to the hits from the 80’s/90’s.

Something each law enforcement person said was “wait... how are these folks connected”?
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 12:34 pm to
OF COURSE you would drop this at the same time as another epic thread. I can only waste so much time on the OT on a weekday!
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