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re: OT Lawyer advice needed—Stolen motorcycle recovery, bike secured NEW UPDATE p.35
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:27 pm to LSUGrrrl
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:27 pm to LSUGrrrl
They tried to push the issue after the OP offered a sweetheart deal and were left with nothing. If they double down they REALLY won't like the outcome.
If they were smart, they'd let it go.
If they were smart, they'd let it go.
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:27 pm to cable
They also declined my more than fair initial offer which would have made them whole, but they decided to be greedy.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:35 pm to eitek1
When does the tell all go to publication?
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:37 pm to weurf3
I was going to write it by tomorrow but this may not be over. I'll write what I can to a point that should satisfy most questions.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:44 pm to LSUGrrrl
OP could counterclaim for trespass to chattels a d probably win. Just making an observation.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:55 pm to eitek1
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I was going to write it by tomorrow but this may not be over. I'll write what I can to a point that should satisfy most questions
Haha...this is big dick, son! Nice work! I hope they get everything they deserve.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:15 pm to eitek1
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:15 pm to eitek1
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That's only if they actually did the work claimed.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:19 pm to Uncle Stu
Someone is paying attention.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:44 pm to eitek1
The gift that keeps on giving....
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:46 pm to eitek1
I'll take a shot at this one....
Key points I picked up on:
-They've had possession of the bike for the better part of a calendar year
-They conveniently waited to make contact the same month the Statute of Limitations runs out
-They dismissed the notion of tracking down the individual who supposedly dropped off the bike, as if they already knew that was a dead-end.
If they are a auto shop/wrecker service/impound lot, then they surely have a direct link to whatever database is out there for stolen vehicles. Nobody dropped off the bike, it was never in need of "repairs".
(1) Someone they either know or dont know sold them (maybe just dropped off) the bike, cash under the table, without paperwork.
OR
(2) They towed the bike from private property, a parking lot, an apartment complex, etc.
Within 10-14 days, they knew it came back stolen. They kept it, thought they could play the system, wait it out and turn the bike around once they got a new title. They dummied up an fake invoice under a customer's name they knew couldn't be tracked down (because he doesnt exist). It was their version of leverage to get him to legally release the bike, as there was no way to get a new title with that VIN otherwise.
Key points I picked up on:
-They've had possession of the bike for the better part of a calendar year
-They conveniently waited to make contact the same month the Statute of Limitations runs out
-They dismissed the notion of tracking down the individual who supposedly dropped off the bike, as if they already knew that was a dead-end.
If they are a auto shop/wrecker service/impound lot, then they surely have a direct link to whatever database is out there for stolen vehicles. Nobody dropped off the bike, it was never in need of "repairs".
(1) Someone they either know or dont know sold them (maybe just dropped off) the bike, cash under the table, without paperwork.
OR
(2) They towed the bike from private property, a parking lot, an apartment complex, etc.
Within 10-14 days, they knew it came back stolen. They kept it, thought they could play the system, wait it out and turn the bike around once they got a new title. They dummied up an fake invoice under a customer's name they knew couldn't be tracked down (because he doesnt exist). It was their version of leverage to get him to legally release the bike, as there was no way to get a new title with that VIN otherwise.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:49 pm to Uncle Stu
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:39 pm to BruceJender
Interestingly enough I learned all I ever wanted to know about stolen motorcycles this year!!!
I had a motorcycle stolen while temporarily living in Missouri (registered in Louisiana) in 2013. Was only liability covered as it was about 6 years old at the time.
Interestingly, moved back to MO and was informed this year that motorcycle recovered after state police chase. Kicker is it was sitting in tow lot over year before I was contacted. Lots of opinions and experts here have no clue what they are talking about. Reality is that I had to pay significant amounts of money to get bike back (sentimental reasons) and am now dealing with titling issues.
Biggest lesson I learned that I am sure that criminals take advantage of, after 4 years vehicles are automatically taken out of the national stolen registry. This is part of the reason for all the hassle and reason I was not contacted. When the motorcycle was recovered after the chase, it was never considered "stolen" because it was not in the registry. I could go on for days as to how stupid the system is. If googled you may find a local television report and our attempts to get legislation improved.
Additionally, the person was not ever prosecuted for the theft even though it is an open/shut case of being caught with a stolen motor vehicle (because it was not listed "stolen").
Unfortunately every jurisdiction (state, local, attorneys) had blown me off (minus a great state police officer) as far as assisting me getting my stolen property back. They essentially told me to go buy your stuff back from the tow lot and that is what I ultimately had to do.
I had a motorcycle stolen while temporarily living in Missouri (registered in Louisiana) in 2013. Was only liability covered as it was about 6 years old at the time.
Interestingly, moved back to MO and was informed this year that motorcycle recovered after state police chase. Kicker is it was sitting in tow lot over year before I was contacted. Lots of opinions and experts here have no clue what they are talking about. Reality is that I had to pay significant amounts of money to get bike back (sentimental reasons) and am now dealing with titling issues.
Biggest lesson I learned that I am sure that criminals take advantage of, after 4 years vehicles are automatically taken out of the national stolen registry. This is part of the reason for all the hassle and reason I was not contacted. When the motorcycle was recovered after the chase, it was never considered "stolen" because it was not in the registry. I could go on for days as to how stupid the system is. If googled you may find a local television report and our attempts to get legislation improved.
Additionally, the person was not ever prosecuted for the theft even though it is an open/shut case of being caught with a stolen motor vehicle (because it was not listed "stolen").
Unfortunately every jurisdiction (state, local, attorneys) had blown me off (minus a great state police officer) as far as assisting me getting my stolen property back. They essentially told me to go buy your stuff back from the tow lot and that is what I ultimately had to do.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:10 pm to mikelbr
Just give them a quick call asking if you need to do any particular “breaking in” of the engine as they did just repair it. When was the last time this was adjusted?!
Not illegal, and it’s for your own safety to know what was/wasn’t done to the bike.
And record all calls. For the OT, of course.
Not illegal, and it’s for your own safety to know what was/wasn’t done to the bike.
And record all calls. For the OT, of course.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:14 pm to shel311
quote:
I'm just thinking in general(not this shady shop) it seems a bit unfair for the shop to just be out of money, but then I'm wondering if there's some way they should be filtering these out before they even put any work into these vehicles?
Could get a variety of info about ownership or secure a payment method prior to doing work
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:15 pm to eitek1
Who in the frick downvoted this man?! Where are you? I want to fight you.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:18 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:
Within 10-14 days, they knew it came back stolen. They kept it, thought they could play the system, wait it out and turn the bike around once they got a new title. They dummied up an fake invoice under a customer's name they knew couldn't be tracked down (because he doesnt exist). It was their version of leverage to get him to legally release the bike, as there was no way to get a new title with that VIN otherwise.
I have a sneaking suspicion we are headed this direction in the story
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:24 pm to drat
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Reality is that I had to pay significant amounts of money to get bike back (sentimental reasons) and am not dealing with titling issues.
Seems like a fairly different scenario from OP, though. For starters, your motorcycle was presumably picked up by wrecker under a contract with the police. Which 1) lends them legitimacy and 2) means they have a relationship with the department, which likely includes agreed rates they can charge for that storage. Unless the police sold the bike to them at auction.
Second, the shop/tow yard OP is dealing with did know that the bike was stolen once they ran the VIN, so it sounds like it was still in the national registry.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:26 pm to NoSaint
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Could get a variety of info about ownership or secure a payment method prior to doing work
Yeah, if a mechanic told me to pay upfront I'd find a new mechanic.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:46 pm to wadewilson
Ok folks, I'm going to hold off on a summary. Most of what I believed is wrong.
This just took a HUGE left turn and has become 100 times more entertaining.
It may be a few days before I have more info but I assure you, it'll be worth it.
This just took a HUGE left turn and has become 100 times more entertaining.
It may be a few days before I have more info but I assure you, it'll be worth it.
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