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re: Operator vs. Engineer?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
And operators need to put in 60 hours a week to be big earners, engineers will put in 45-50. In addition to working a normal schedule
Plus engineers aren’t generally in the line of fire in emergency scenarios. Operators get paid a lot for that reason
Plus engineers aren’t generally in the line of fire in emergency scenarios. Operators get paid a lot for that reason
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:51 pm to Ric Flair
A lot of engineer grads that get on with plants don’t go into engineering at all. I’ve known many that went into Safety, Opetations, HR, Industrial Hygiene with Eng degrees.
Guess once they hired in, they just rode with it.
Guess once they hired in, they just rode with it.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:52 pm to Croacka
Do some operators refer to themselves as “engineers” (process engineers), or just operators? Is there a nomenclature pissing match? (Is this the plant:hospital equivalent of someone with a doctorate in physical therapy or a pharmD referring to themselves as a doctor?)
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:53 pm to notiger1997
As a young chemical engineer (over 20 years ago), I marveled at how much Operators made. They worked harder for it and longer hours, but they were cracking over $100K and that got my attention given that I was not paid for over-time (which I worked) and made less than half of what they made. Over time, a competent chemical engineer will surpass the chemical operator in salary -- and will have a better quality of life. I would love to compare how much they earned over their career compared with mine (they would probably still be ahead of me), but as I said -- they work harder for it physically. Working shift work takes a heavy toll on the human body. Divorce rates are much higher among Operators. Being older, I have no qualms about my station nor career. I am blessed and would not change a thing. I see older Operators having more difficulty dealing with switching from days to night and also more difficulty physically if they are still primarily working outside. In the end, I think the engineers have the better deal.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:53 pm to Ric Flair
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Do some operators refer to themselves as “engineers” (process engineers), or just operators?
Not operators, though there are probably some non engineers in engineer titles roles
Some ops may call themselves process technicians, but that would depend on what the plant labels them as.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:55 pm to Ric Flair
quote:Process engineers are chemical engineers. They are used interchangeably.
process engineers
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:56 pm to Ric Flair
Engineers are a stepping stone job to something much bigger if they want it. So their potential income is much greater.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:00 pm to RoyalWe
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Divorce rates are much higher among Operators.
Jody rates are much higher among operators too.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:02 pm to Ric Flair
Early career, operator earns more, but works more hours.
Late career, engineer makes more AND works fewer hours.
Late career, engineer makes more AND works fewer hours.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:03 pm to Relham10
The only time we really work hard is during start-ups and shut downs. Even then, we usually double shift and it lightens the load. I work in a continuous process chemical plant.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:04 pm to Croacka
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Depends on the OT
Process engineers probably make 120-150K if I had to guess.
Additional, engineers and other salaried jobs don't have to work over time or weekends to make over 100K.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 pm to ultratiger89
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ultratiger89
Absolutely no clue what you’re talking about..
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:10 pm to GetmorewithLes
Ohhh so only a little over 1000 hours of ot
Sorry for exaggerating
it's just a week over 1000 hours
Sorry for exaggerating
it's just a week over 1000 hoursThis post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:13 pm to notiger1997
I feel like we just had this discussion recently.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:13 pm to DaBike
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Additional, engineers and other salaried jobs don't have to work over time or weekends to make over 100K.
bullshite they don't. Depending on tnr plant/position they can work nights and weekends and earn no OT.
I'm sure some operators work a ton of ot, but i sure don't. I don't think in got over 400 hours last year.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:14 pm to Ric Flair
A good go getter engineer has more options in short order. They dont have to work inside the facilities and they can parlay the skillset into self-employment easier.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:15 pm to GetmorewithLes
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working 60 hrs a week in 12 hr shifts comes out to about $156K.
LOL
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:17 pm to heatom2
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Additional, engineers and other salaried jobs don't have to work over time or weekends to make over 100K.
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bullshite they don't
If they work 1 hour or 70 hours their check is going to be the same. Now, expectation may be they work some overtime, but they don't have to work ot or nights.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:19 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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About the same, but the engineer works 500 less hours and work 7-4.
This absolute horse shite. Every engineer I know worth a damn is working close to 60 hours per week every week and not getting over time.
I am not going to belittle the role of an operator because being around some good operators has really shown me how valuable they can be and why those men SHOULD be making whatever they are and probably more.
But if you are just an ok operator, you keep your job forever. If you are just an OK engineer, you’re not there more than 5 years cause they will can your arse
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