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Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:30 am to CivilTiger83
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Pastors also commit other sins and can be guilty of unbelief. Nobody is arguing that a person can be religious and betray their faith.
Not sure where that came from.
I was saying that over-encompassing statements about what she needed in her life like a strong family structure, religion, community support, etc are not a cure-all like many would like to think.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:31 am to Antonio Moss
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I noticed that in her entire letter she only describes herself and her perceptions. I think this absorbed mentality has a lot to do with suicide.
yep, I caught that as well. It's a very egocentric note.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:36 am to CivilTiger83
I think modern man has so many attachments , material and otherwise . And in her case - Cultural attachments. She was attached to great food, living in a great city, cool people and places- a sense of “ the good Life “ . But all these attachments are hollow. They all fade and die. They affirm our choices and feed our egos, but they don’t necessarily sustain our souls- which are looking for deeper Meaning.
I think that for a truly troubled person, besides the obvious chemical and psychiatric observations , the best advice is to detach from the current attachments and consider just being of service in some way to others. This allows us to find meaning. And that can be family, friends, church, community, charity - whatever. Something humble and selfless will often allow us to tap into something hidden away inside of us that is bigger and offers more lasting Meaning.
I think that for a truly troubled person, besides the obvious chemical and psychiatric observations , the best advice is to detach from the current attachments and consider just being of service in some way to others. This allows us to find meaning. And that can be family, friends, church, community, charity - whatever. Something humble and selfless will often allow us to tap into something hidden away inside of us that is bigger and offers more lasting Meaning.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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yep, I caught that as well. It's a very egocentric note.
Like I said...she probably spent way too much time in SF and NYC. The amount of pressure to be successful in places like that turns a lot of people selfish and inward which likely makes them focus on themselves a lot more.
Everyone is trying to "make it" and it becomes a lonely cut throat world devoid of compassion and support.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:38 am to HogX
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I was saying that over-encompassing statements about what she needed in her life like a strong family structure, religion, community support, etc are not a cure-all like many would like to think.
I am not arguing its a cure all. Whether someone believes in the Jewish faith, Hindu faith, Muslim faith or Christian faith, those all have a reason to live embedded in their belief system. Although all of those faith groups have people who commit suicide, the suicide rate is higher for atheists, which only stands to reason.
The logical outworking of atheism is nihilism, which by definition means there is nothing of purpose to live for. It doesn't mean all atheists commit suicide, and far from it.
All that said, it's a sad occurrence for me when someone takes their own life. I believe God weeps for those people and we should as well. Human life is precious.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:40 am to JETigER
Lol wut
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:42 am to toosleaux
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Popeye’s of course.
Having no spicy chicken probably pushed her over the edge
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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yep, I caught that as well. It's a very egocentric note.
I read it as a defense mechanism. She barely mentioned the circumstances of her father's illness and death, but I think it's the elephant in the room. Grief can be tremendously debilitating and some people don't get past it.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:45 am to jdd48
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those that have never experienced detachment, it can be an extremely frightening experience. The inability to feel or express emotion is about as scary as it gets when it comes to depression symptoms.
I’ve felt this way for years to the point I oddly prefer it
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:45 am to CivilTiger83
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I am not arguing its a cure all. Whether someone believes in the Jewish faith, Hindu faith, Muslim faith or Christian faith, those all have a reason to live embedded in their belief system. Although all of those faith groups have people who commit suicide, the suicide rate is higher for atheists, which only stands to reason.
That's fair enough. I don't believe that those people are necessarily less depressed, they just have incentive to keep living due to the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. So it makes sense.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:47 am to tiggerthetooth
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too much time in cosmopolitan city areas
There's something to be said for the simplicity of country living vs. the complex rat race of bigger cities. I could certainly see how someone feels insignificant in a large metropolis.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:48 am to toosleaux
Even her last note was an attention grab
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:48 am to LuckyTiger
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Not one word about God.
Not being religious is not why she killed herself.
Sorry, but it bothers me a ton when people say people who commit suicide should've been more religious or welcoming to God in their life.
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Not one word in there about doing things for other people.
I'll agree with this though. Helping others is a great way to fill a hole in your soul.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:49 am to TheCaterpillar
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Helping others is a great way to fill a hole in your soul.
and damn cheap therapy too
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:51 am to CivilTiger83
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. Although all of those faith groups have people who commit suicide, the suicide rate is higher for atheists, which only stands to reason.
The logical outworking of atheism is nihilism, which by definition means there is nothing of purpose to live for. It doesn't mean all atheists commit suicide, and far from it.
There are far fewer atheists than people realize. Most non-religious folks are just unsure of what to believe or agnostic. I fall into that bucket, as do most of my friends.
Atheism is a firm belief there is no higher power. That's just as ludicrous to me as being super devout to a single religion.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:54 am to TheCaterpillar
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I'll agree with this though. Helping others is a great way to fill a hole in your soul.
I dont consider myself religious, but belief in God is supposed to compel you to do for others. Helping others + belief in God is one in the same.
Reading the bible more + going to church + praying is alone not going to change anything. Anyone can go through the motions of a "religious" lifestyle.
The real meat of belief is reaching your hand out and picking others up in the physical world. Many religious people fail to prioritize such things and often prioritize standing in a church or being the best at prayer.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:54 am to Jim Rockford
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I read it as a defense mechanism.
Taking her words in the note as truth, I think she was totally self absorbed and egocentric. She was incapable of empathy.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:55 am to Jim Rockford
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Only briefly mentioned in the note is that she lost her father. The article says she found her passion for nutrition while caring for a relative (presumably him) during a chronic illness. Being a caregiver takes a tremendous emotional toll.
Sounds to me this was a big tipping point. Maybe she was a daddy's girl her whole life. Could have been her best friend? Maybe with him gone there was no one there like her father to talk to. Maybe in her mind she could be with him this way? I have read where a parent toke their own life after the sudden loss of a child maybe this was the other way around?
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:55 am to toosleaux
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I’m coming home, Dad. Make some room up on that cloud and turn the Motown up.
You don’t go to heaven if you kill yourself
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