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re: On a scale of 1 to 10 how dangerous is the revisionist history attempt of Mitch Landrieu?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:25 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:25 am to Tigeralum2008
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but I'm not in full on "melt" status as some in this thread
The melt comes from the slippery slope of removing objects that one finds a "nuisance".
Here is a list of items for removal by Take Em Down NOLA
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Landrieu and the State have now set a precedent on the way all cities in the Louisiana can handle the removal of "nuisance" "offensive" items. This is a huge deal and should concern all races because it only takes the opinion of your local government to determine it's removal
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:32 am to Tigeralum2008
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Did he do anything that helped the people of LA?.... could actually be blamed for the failure of the Confederacy.
That ties into the point of many who WANTED it to stay up. There are not many ties to New Orleans. Instead, it is a beautifully artistic statue that allows history to be told, good or bad, in a city that we once considered a living museum. What most didn't hear in the City Council "debates" is the pro-monument groups wanted to add the additional plaques describing the historical context of each.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:32 am to Tigeralum2008
Many New Orleanians are nostalgic at heart about their city and the things taken away. I'm in a FB group, or was in one, called ADNM (Ain't Dere No More) and it's 60,000 people strong! No one laments or misses racism, but older New Orleanians, especially, genuinely miss the unique businesses, and buildings, etc. that are gone. Whether that be an average bakery with shops in every neigborhood, or an ice-cream parlor here, a restaurant there...
These monuments and memorials are the same. They've been part of the visual look and landscape of the city for four generations, now. Many believe that "their" New Orleans is gone or going away. It IS what makes us unique, is that it looks the same and we live within our history unlike the "better cities" so many on here want to emulate: Atlanta and Houston. You're hard-pressed to find anything rooted in those places because they simply tear things down every 20 years.
These monuments and memorials are the same. They've been part of the visual look and landscape of the city for four generations, now. Many believe that "their" New Orleans is gone or going away. It IS what makes us unique, is that it looks the same and we live within our history unlike the "better cities" so many on here want to emulate: Atlanta and Houston. You're hard-pressed to find anything rooted in those places because they simply tear things down every 20 years.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:37 am to magildachunks
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Some could argue that Lee had a duty to the US army, which he turned his back on.
This debate has been settled. Congress agreed that Confederate soldiers were to be considered U.S. Soldiers, just as Union Soldiers are.
There is no inherent dishonor for the broadminded.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:38 am to CamdenTiger
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Posted by CamdenTiger on 5/11/17 at 5:48 am to Tigahs24Seven
I see people avoiding that city like the plague. You don't revise history, to control the message, or limit thought, without repercussions.
Ha. Did you see the record crowds at jazz fest this weekend. 110% occupancy at just abt every hotel in the cbd/quarter. 20k air bnb booked
Sorry if Mitch is not catering to racist neighbors from rural areas.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:51 am to ellishughtiger
Gotta play the Race Card, eh?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:56 am to Ed Osteen
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The average New Orleans tourist doesn't give a shite about statues and likely won't even know what you are talking about if you asked them
Then over these many years it must have been way above average tourists who haven't subscribed to this purported widespread, detached, cavalier attitude toward historical monuments that has resulted in the Lee Memorial being among our ten most popular tourist attractions.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:58 am to RedPop4
4. We don't live in 1940, there are a million other and better ways for people to get information. If tearing down a statue of Jefferson Davis means people aren't going to know who he is then those people are sheeps and plebeians who don't study history on their own and therefore I don't care what they know or don't know. That being said the PC bullshite ridiculous, and the slippery slope isn't that far fetched. There's a large segment of people that basically believe everything done before 1970 was terrible and should be reviled in every way shape/form bc the world wasn't racially aware. Ridiculous.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:22 am to Tigahs24Seven
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It's gives media credence to spending time, effort and money on fixing meaningless things instead of doing something meaningfull.
It distracts everyone from things that could be accomplished or that need to be accomplished that could actually improve things
It blinds the disenfranchised to what their needs actually are
And there's an opportunity cost to what the mayor could actually be doing with his time and political capital.
It's gives media credence to spending time, effort and money on fixing meaningless things instead of doing something meaningfull.
It distracts everyone from things that could be accomplished or that need to be accomplished that could actually improve things
It blinds the disenfranchised to what their needs actually are
And there's an opportunity cost to what the mayor could actually be doing with his time and political capital.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:35 am to Tigahs24Seven
How is removing statues "revisionist history". I don't see any statues of Hitler in Germany but are they trying to claim he didn't exist and WWII didn't happen?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:44 am to MLCLyons
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How is removing statues "revisionist history". I don't see any statues of Hitler in Germany but are they trying to claim he didn't exist and WWII didn't happen?
Wow...nice subtle comparison of these guys to hitler. I'd point out the multiple flaws with your comparison but you are either a troll or being intellectually dishonest so there is no point either way.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:45 am to ellishughtiger
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Sorry if Mitch is not catering to racist neighbors from rural areas.
None of those people came here because Mitch decided to take the statues down. Cool story though.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:49 am to Tigahs24Seven
I would say a 9. I reserve a 10 for if or when they go after President Andrew Jackson.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 4:51 pm to Tigerstark
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Wow...nice subtle comparison of these guys to hitler. I'd point out the multiple flaws with your comparison but you are either a troll or being intellectually dishonest so there is no point either way.
It's a perfectly apt comparison. Tearing down a statue depicting a bad time in history isn't revisionist history. If schools simply stopped mentioning the Civil War, and acted like the US was fighting a totally foreign country, that would be revisionist history. It has the root word Revise, how is taking down a statue revising events? This is choosing not to celebrate the people.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 4:54 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Hurricanes are dangerous. Crime is dangerous. Taking down a statue of the failed leader of a failed cause? Not dangerous.
Hurricanes are dangerous. Crime is dangerous. Taking down a statue of the failed leader of a failed cause? Not dangerous.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:13 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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A hurricane of epic fricking proportions didn't kill New Orleans and you think taking down statues is going to do it?????
A hurricane of epic fricking proportions didn't kill New Orleans and you think taking down statues is going to do it?????
Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:18 pm to ellishughtiger
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Posted by CamdenTiger on 5/11/17 at 5:48 am to Tigahs24Seven
I see people avoiding that city like the plague. You don't revise history, to control the message, or limit thought, without repercussions.
Ha. Did you see the record crowds at jazz fest this weekend. 110% occupancy at just abt every hotel in the cbd/quarter. 20k air bnb booked
Sorry if Mitch is not catering to racist neighbors from rural areas.
Can't run a city off a two week festival depended on good weather.
Let a go mugging or shooting happen to kill tax revenues.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:40 pm to Tigerstark
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Wow...nice subtle comparison of these guys to hitler. I'd point out the multiple flaws with your comparison but you are either a troll or being intellectually dishonest so there is no point either way.
Because you have no answer ?
What about Sadaam Hussein statue & monuments being toppled by American troops?
American troops blowing up the the swastika above the stadium grandstand in Berlin ?
Denazification of Germany?
History wasn't erased just removed from a place of honor
Posted on 5/11/17 at 6:00 pm to sugar71
Context, is important if you're going to make the World War II/Swastika/Hitler or Iraq comparisons. Those were immediate reactions, in the course of the war. The folks who blew up the swastikas were Allied soldiers who were fortunate to get there without being killed by the Nazis. I'm sure there were some Germans who were directly affected by Hitler who participated.
The same holds for the statues of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqis were right there, they suffered at his hands almost directly right up until those statues came down.
The New Orleans monuments were built by citizens at a time well-removed from the Civil War. Lee, Beauregard, and even Davis, were not tyrants who terrorized the entire population. Beauregard and Lee freed or didn't even have slaves.
No one alive now, or even in the last 50 years "suffered" under these men. These were men who did good for their communities AFTER the war was lost. Landrieu and his "lost cause" is a load of crap. They were men honored and STILL honored by honest history.
Notice the concentration camps still stand, that's far more triggering, to use that SJW verb.
The same holds for the statues of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqis were right there, they suffered at his hands almost directly right up until those statues came down.
The New Orleans monuments were built by citizens at a time well-removed from the Civil War. Lee, Beauregard, and even Davis, were not tyrants who terrorized the entire population. Beauregard and Lee freed or didn't even have slaves.
No one alive now, or even in the last 50 years "suffered" under these men. These were men who did good for their communities AFTER the war was lost. Landrieu and his "lost cause" is a load of crap. They were men honored and STILL honored by honest history.
Notice the concentration camps still stand, that's far more triggering, to use that SJW verb.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 6:06 pm to MLCLyons
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Tearing down a statue depicting a bad time in history isn't revisionist history.
Then I assume you will join me in my crusade to have mount Rushmore demolished as well as our currency to be recalled, redesigned, and reprinted. After all, how can we go day to day with those raysis shite lord slave owners in our wallets?! Every time I see a quarter or a dollar bill I get triggered.
And don't even start on the raysis abomination that is mount Rushmore. Do you see how big those slave owners faces are?! I mean Holy shite! And that piece of shite who wanted to ship all the blacks to south America and to an island off of Haiti? Blasphemy.
TEAR DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN
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