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re: On a scale of 1 to 10 how dangerous is the revisionist history attempt of Mitch Landrieu?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:10 am to Tigahs24Seven
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:10 am to Tigahs24Seven
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:11 am to LNCHBOX
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Besides money being wasted and statues being torn down, right?
I don't consider that permanent damage
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:12 am to TheCaterpillar
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I don't consider that permanent damage
So the money will be refunded and the statues will come back?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:13 am to RedPop4
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The whole idea of honor, and doing one's duty is gone, it's all about me and my feelings in 2017, and has been this way for 50 years, now.
Some could argue that Lee had a duty to the US army, which he turned his back on.
They could view that as dishonorable. And many of his West Point peers did.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:14 am to TheCaterpillar
You, perhaps not. A significant portion of people from around the area, see the inevitability and permanence and consider it just that.
The history books have already been revised. Try getting people to read documented histories that DON'T tell the "war was over slavery, only, period." perspective. Only a real minority of people read history in the manner it was intended. It's all "old shite" until racism and political activism is invoked.
The history books have already been revised. Try getting people to read documented histories that DON'T tell the "war was over slavery, only, period." perspective. Only a real minority of people read history in the manner it was intended. It's all "old shite" until racism and political activism is invoked.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:15 am to LNCHBOX
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So the money will be refunded and the statues will come back?
You think statues not being there is permanent damage?
And yes, the city will get more money, and blow it on other stupid shite.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:19 am to magildachunks
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Some could argue that Lee had a duty to the US army, which he turned his back on.
He resigned his commission. At that point his allegiance to the US Army is done.
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They could view that as dishonorable. And many of his West Point peers did.
But ironically not West Point itself.
Want to guess where this portrait currently is?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:19 am to TheCaterpillar
What part of permanent removal is difficult to understand?
Yes, this is permanent damage, the look of the city, especially to locals, will be radically different, as those are well-traveled places and the fabric of the city. Every single Mardi Gras parade in the city, now, goes around Lee Circle.
People ride the streetcar up and down St. Charles Ave. and around Lee Circle, or up and down Canal St. and Carrollton Ave. past Jefferson Davis and to Beauregard.
Davis will NEVER be there again, he's been there for over 100 years, that's a big thing.
Yes, this is permanent damage, the look of the city, especially to locals, will be radically different, as those are well-traveled places and the fabric of the city. Every single Mardi Gras parade in the city, now, goes around Lee Circle.
People ride the streetcar up and down St. Charles Ave. and around Lee Circle, or up and down Canal St. and Carrollton Ave. past Jefferson Davis and to Beauregard.
Davis will NEVER be there again, he's been there for over 100 years, that's a big thing.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:22 am to TheCaterpillar
I didn't grow up in Louisiana so I tend to see things from a different perspective.
What was the intent when the Jeff Davis statue was erected?
Forgive my ignorance but did he ever set foot in Louisiana? ETA: another poster pointed out to me he died in NOLA
Did he do anything that helped the people of LA?
When you read about the man, Jefferson Davis you see that he was incredibly flawed and could actually be blamed for the failure of the Confederacy. He lacked great statesmanship and rarely delegated responsibilities which was a core reason the USA won its independence for the UK. Davis failed to get support from Europe which would have turned the tide of the war.
As an outsider, it always struck me that the intent of erecting a jeff davis statue wasn't to celebrate the man but was more of a metaphorical way to throw the middlefinger at the federal gov't.
I can see celebrating General Lee because he was a great leader and fought along side the men of LA, I just fail to understand the reveration of Jeff Davis.
What was the intent when the Jeff Davis statue was erected?
Forgive my ignorance but did he ever set foot in Louisiana? ETA: another poster pointed out to me he died in NOLA
Did he do anything that helped the people of LA?
When you read about the man, Jefferson Davis you see that he was incredibly flawed and could actually be blamed for the failure of the Confederacy. He lacked great statesmanship and rarely delegated responsibilities which was a core reason the USA won its independence for the UK. Davis failed to get support from Europe which would have turned the tide of the war.
As an outsider, it always struck me that the intent of erecting a jeff davis statue wasn't to celebrate the man but was more of a metaphorical way to throw the middlefinger at the federal gov't.
I can see celebrating General Lee because he was a great leader and fought along side the men of LA, I just fail to understand the reveration of Jeff Davis.
This post was edited on 5/11/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:23 am to RedPop4
quote:It isn't necessarily damage. That is a matter of perspective. Some obviously view it as an improvement. Regardless, it is silly people care this much either way.
What part of permanent removal is difficult to understand?
Yes, this is permanent damage, the look of the city, especially to locals, will be radically different, as those are well-traveled places and the fabric of the city. Every single Mardi Gras parade in the city, now, goes around Lee Circle.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:42 am to Tigeralum2008
Jefferson Davis died in New Orleans and his funeral was attended by thousands of citizens of all economic strata and race. He died on Dec. 6, 1889 and he was buried in the tomb of the Army of Northern Virginia in Metairie Cemetery.
His body was disinterred in 1893 and moved to Virginia.
Funeral Photograph and description
New Orleans Public Library report
His body was disinterred in 1893 and moved to Virginia.
Funeral Photograph and description
New Orleans Public Library report
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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You think statues not being there is permanent damage?
Yes, them being gone is permanent.
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And yes, the city will get more money
Pointed out what should be obvious. This money is permanently gone on something incredibly stupid.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:46 am to fightingtigers98
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The removal of the monuments set a dangerous precedent that cannot be undone.
They will go after the Fleur De Lis next.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:46 am to RedPop4
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Jefferson Davis died in New Orleans and his funeral was attended by thousands of citizens of all economic strata and race. He died on Dec. 6, 1889 and he was buried in the tomb of the Army of Northern Virginia in Metairie Cemetery.
His body was disinterred in 1893 and moved to Virginia.
Ok, thanks. I stand corrected
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:47 am to Tigeralum2008
No worries.
Most from here tend to think of Jefferson Davis and Beauvoir.
Most from here tend to think of Jefferson Davis and Beauvoir.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:48 am to magildachunks
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Uh....no.
We can still have history without statues that glorify the men on the wrong side of it.
You people are so damn ignorant.
Wouldn't it be better to remember your mistakes so you don't make them again. You might remember but will your children or grandchildren who won't ever hear about it?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:49 am to Chimlim
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The removal of the monuments set a dangerous precedent that cannot be undone.
They will go after the Fleur De Lis next.
correct. the slippery slope is the biggest danger here. The removal of the statues per se doesn't bother me so much. But Mitch has pandered to the lowest common denominator throughout this 'process' and given the fringe elements the center stage. Hope he reaps what he sows.
This post was edited on 5/11/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:50 am to magildachunks
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We can still have history without statues that glorify the men on the wrong side of it.
That's cute. You think this is just about the civil war.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:53 am to shawnlsu
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Wouldn't it be better to remember your mistakes so you don't make them again. You might remember but will your children or grandchildren who won't ever hear about it?
The Civil War will always be studied in school. Taking down a statue won't change the fact that many in Louisiana discuss the war. The CW is rightfully woven into the fabric of Southern Life
i'm not in favor of taking down the statues but I'm not in full on "melt" status as some in this thread
This post was edited on 5/11/17 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:17 am to TigerCoon
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Let's gut everything in New Orleans that defines the unique history of the place. Let's make it look like Cleveland-- that's the ticket
Well on it's way...with the crime and murder rate of Chicago and Cleveland combined..That is the issue almost all of us who oppose this shite have. Stripping New Orleans of New Orleans and ignoring the problems that are destroying what's left of it. Mitch Landrieu is the fricking devil.
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