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re: Older Baton Rouge residents. What lead to the decline of NBR?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:20 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:20 am to choupiquesushi
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judge parker
Biggest cause of the decline in EBR Parish schools and the resulting growth in Livingston and AP!
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:21 am to stampman
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THE cause of the decline in EBR Parish schools and the resulting growth in Livingston and AP!
fixed that for you. He must have had investments in the neighboring parishes for new construction or new schools.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:26 am to Y.A. Tittle
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If memory serves me correct, there was a lot of NIMBY type shite even back then to fight the Lee Dr. widening.
This has been always and still is. One neighborhood civic association has held that area hostage
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:27 am to johnnyrocket
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I lived off Hollywood and Plank Road on Longfellow in the 60's and 70's.
That's one of the areas I used to drive through thinking how nice it must have been back in its heyday.
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When the first African American family moved in across the street my parents sold out
I can't help but see this as an overreaction of many of the residents in that area at the time. Had the neighborhoods stayed calm or perhaps formed an HOA to enforce property standards that AA family would have either "kept up with the joneses" or left in a short while anyways.
But the rapid explosion of homes for sale probably lead to an oversupply in the market-> lower values-> section 8 moving in
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:28 am to Tigeralum2008
Four pages just to say:
Step 1: Integration.
Step 2: Automobiles / Interstate System.
Step 3: White folks don't like living by black folks.
Step 4: Completion - you've now got white flight.
Interestingly, however, is that younger (millennial) don't hold the same views as their parents and are starting to move back. What you may not realize is that your example of Perkins Rd today was absolute shite just 15 years ago. So expect the trend of less educated peoples of all races to continue to move out of the city and the more educated continuing to move into the city (note that this educational barometer does not match income levels in all cases). That means that just as southdowns/garden district/merchant district/mid-cty have seen a revival, so too has Downtown and so too will the areas close to, but just north of, mid city.
Theres your four pages of nonsense condensed into actual demographic trends that cities everywhere are experiencing - not just Baton Rouge.
Step 1: Integration.
Step 2: Automobiles / Interstate System.
Step 3: White folks don't like living by black folks.
Step 4: Completion - you've now got white flight.
Interestingly, however, is that younger (millennial) don't hold the same views as their parents and are starting to move back. What you may not realize is that your example of Perkins Rd today was absolute shite just 15 years ago. So expect the trend of less educated peoples of all races to continue to move out of the city and the more educated continuing to move into the city (note that this educational barometer does not match income levels in all cases). That means that just as southdowns/garden district/merchant district/mid-cty have seen a revival, so too has Downtown and so too will the areas close to, but just north of, mid city.
Theres your four pages of nonsense condensed into actual demographic trends that cities everywhere are experiencing - not just Baton Rouge.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:31 am to recruitnik
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What you may not realize is that your example of Perkins Rd today was absolute shite just 15 years ago.
What?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:39 am to recruitnik
My father and mother decided to move when the African American guy that was the first family in the neighborhood moved in. One night he came home drunk and thought his house was ours. The guy busted down the glass storm door and was cut up bleeding all over the porch. Then his kids would always get picked up for breaking into people's homes. In the first month 7 of my friends parents put their house up for sale.
Then 6 out of 7 friends parents moved to Red Oaks, Villa Del Ray, or Monticello which were nice areas back then.
What pushed the white flight from EBRP schools was judge John parkers desergregation decision.
Pre desergregation the school in the area received tax money from the property taxes in the district. Red Oaks had nice text books, nice things, and better teachers. When I went to Hollywood Elementary the property taxes collected from this area were a lot lower so the schools were older, teachers were less experienced, and the text books were old.
Then 6 out of 7 friends parents moved to Red Oaks, Villa Del Ray, or Monticello which were nice areas back then.
What pushed the white flight from EBRP schools was judge John parkers desergregation decision.
Pre desergregation the school in the area received tax money from the property taxes in the district. Red Oaks had nice text books, nice things, and better teachers. When I went to Hollywood Elementary the property taxes collected from this area were a lot lower so the schools were older, teachers were less experienced, and the text books were old.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:51 am to Tigeralum2008
It's been pretty well-proven that a strong middle class is the key to the long-term viability of a community. The one thing that the middle class has is children. Most families with children are interested in good schools.
Lets be frank, the busing in the 1970s literally forced families to flee EBR parish entirely. Traditionally good neighborhoods lost the benefit of good schools. Now all of the schools (non-magnet) are so bad no one with means are sending their family to public schools there. That means every middle class family has an added expense to send children to private school. It's downright expensive to live in the City-Parish, for no good reason.
It's the primary reason I left. I lived in the Millerville area for right under 10 years.
Lets be frank, the busing in the 1970s literally forced families to flee EBR parish entirely. Traditionally good neighborhoods lost the benefit of good schools. Now all of the schools (non-magnet) are so bad no one with means are sending their family to public schools there. That means every middle class family has an added expense to send children to private school. It's downright expensive to live in the City-Parish, for no good reason.
It's the primary reason I left. I lived in the Millerville area for right under 10 years.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:52 am to johnnyrocket
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Red Oaks had nice text books, nice things, and better teachers
When I was in the 4th grade at Red Oaks I remember the parents raising money to install window A/C units at the school. Before then we had no A/C. It was the parents that held the school fairs to raise money for new books and the such. The neighborhood helped build that school, more so than the school board IMO. Now your busing kids all over town and you've lost that neighborhood pride in the neighborhood school.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:55 am to Kajungee
I agree my mom helped as a school nurse.
Man that sucked when I got in trouble trying to not have her see me going into the principals office.
Man that sucked when I got in trouble trying to not have her see me going into the principals office.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:57 am to Tigeralum2008
Yeah I'm not getting banned again for saying the same thing I did 7 plus months ago
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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You will get a lot of goof race innuendo posts, but it basically boils down to, people with money did not want to live literally in the shadow of one of the nation's largest refineries.
Yep. Industry drove people away.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:01 pm to johnnyrocket
Everything can be rooted in property value declines. Your home is your biggest investment, when it loses value you GTFO of the neighborhood and new home buyers stay away causing everything to become rentals
After WWII the typical homes built in NBR were Sears and Roebuck style kit homes. Three bedrooms, one bathroom and made of wood. The owners get old, they move out and their kids sell to slum lord types that own low rent and section 8 housing. This causes the residual values of the newer brick homes to fall and soon all of the housing in the area is apartments, old people hanging on and rent houses
After WWII the typical homes built in NBR were Sears and Roebuck style kit homes. Three bedrooms, one bathroom and made of wood. The owners get old, they move out and their kids sell to slum lord types that own low rent and section 8 housing. This causes the residual values of the newer brick homes to fall and soon all of the housing in the area is apartments, old people hanging on and rent houses
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:07 pm to Tigeralum2008
The Civil Rights Act
Jk. Please don't ban me.
Jk. Please don't ban me.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:11 pm to Tigeralum2008
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You are on the right track here.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:36 pm to dewster
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45 year long desegregation lawsuit
What exactly was the lawsuit over? I imagine the schools actually desegregated ages ago.... What was the claim--funding?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:40 pm to Tigeralum2008
Do we really have to go there
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:09 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Low interest rates in the '80's allowed the blue collar plant workers to move out of the area, which was predominantly white until then.
I was a kid back in the 80's, but I can still remember seeing Ford advertising new vehicle loans for 14% APR -- I don't remember the 80's having low interest rates...
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:19 pm to RDOtiger
short and sweet, it was the desegregation of the schools. The same thing was ordered in the parish I grew up in 1988. Before we all had neighborhood schools and no one was bussed across town. After the ruling, some kids were being bussed 2 or 3 towns over just to balance the racial makeups of the schools. From what I hear now, all of the whites have their kids in private or magnet schools just like in EBR.....thanks to a federal court order.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:25 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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You will get a lot of goof race innuendo posts, but it basically boils down to, people with money did not want to live literally in the shadow of one of the nation's largest refineries
uhhh.......no.
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