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re: Obamacare is Coming After Your Craft Beer

Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:45 am to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:45 am to
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What exactly costs $80k?


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Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:45 am to
Question, weren't they already doing re bottling because of the "date of brewing" label you see on most beers now? or is that just stamped on?
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:45 am to
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legislating it
Do you have a problem with government legislation of things like this in general or do you have a problem with this one thing in particular? I'm confused and genuinely interested in the actual source of the uproar.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am to
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Question, weren't they already doing re bottling because of the "date of brewing" label you see on most beers now? or is that just stamped on?


Stamped on in most cases. Or electronically ink printed.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am to
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Question, weren't they already doing re bottling because of the "date of brewing" label you see on most beers now?


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stamped on
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am to
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One more reason to avoid chain restaurants
People that drink craft beers don't frequent restaurant chains
Posted by Warfarer
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:47 am to
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If you're a small brewer who can't afford to pay the $77k, then you're probably not selling at large restaurant chains with over 20 locations. If you're selling at those chains, you can afford it.

I don't see anything wrong with posting calorie amounts. Can only help with decisions with what to drink. It's information I would like to know. Don't like that we are legislating it though.



I don't like obama but this one doesn't bother me because you are correct. The way I read it is local breweries can still sell to all but pretty large restaurant chains. Does it hurt trying to get a tap in a place like Fridays? Yeah, it will make that impossible unless you provide your nutritional info.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:47 am to
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Do you have a problem with government legislation of things like this in general or do you have a problem with this one thing in particular?


I have a problem with the government legislating unwarranted things like this

especially when it hurt small business
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:47 am to
Thanks. I've been curious about that after discovering really old beer at a neighborhood Albertson's a few months ago.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 10:48 am
Posted by snake23
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:48 am to
Surely it doesn't cost $77k to determine how many calories are in a specific beer?? I'm skeptical hippo on this
Posted by terriblegreen
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:48 am to
This is so stupid. People drinking craft beer aren't worried about counting calories. Those people drink Michelob Ultra.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:48 am to
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Why would a smaller brewery bother with the labeling?


Because they want their beer to be at a place like Flying Saucer or Mellow Mushroom (believe that Little Rock has both of them) and they wouldn't be allowed to sell their beer at those places otherwise.
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:49 am to
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People that drink craft beers don't frequent restaurant chains


I try to avoid them as much as possible myself, but sometimes it just happens. It is always nice when there's a decent option but I guess there won't be anymore.
Posted by NoHoTiger
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:49 am to
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I don't see a problem with including nutrition facts on a label.

I don't see a problem with it if the companies chooses to do it, I see a problem with government mandating it.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:49 am to
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Surely it doesn't cost $77k to determine how many calories are in a specific beer?? I'm skeptical hippo on this


I'm skeptical on the $77k number as well as its probably more when you factor in new labeling of all beers and whatnot

this might cause a lot of smaller breweries to release fewer beers in cans/bottles and more in draft only
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:50 am to
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I have a problem with the government legislating unwarranted things like this

especially when it hurt small business
Okay, my next question is why is putting calorie content on the label hurting small business? Is it just the cost of fixing the labels? I'm pretty sure the government won't make them recall cans and bottles. There will be a date where it will become effective.

Do you think that information will stop people from buying or consuming craft beer? Because I don't care at all...if I want a craft beer, or any beer, I'm basically saying I don't care about my calorie count for the night.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:50 am to
I see single payer government run breweries in our future.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:51 am to
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You really believe it costs $77k to figure out the caloric content of a beverage and put it on the label that already exists?


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Small business / Like most regulations, this one will affect small businesses more than their larger competitors. The HHS concedes the measures will have a “significant economic impact on a substantial number of small entities,” and noted that approximately two-thirds of the regulated entities are small businesses, largely because of the prevalence of franchised entities in food service. Based on the HHS’s estimates, the menu labeling rule will impose per-entity costs ranging from $49,000 to $77,000. According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the typical food service employee earns $22,000 annually. Thus, the new rule essentially costs a business the equivalent of two to 3.5 employees, without doing a thing to increase sales or boost productivity
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 10:54 am
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:51 am to
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The way I read it is local breweries can still sell to all but pretty large restaurant chains.


I guess "pretty large" is up for debate, but there are plenty of craft beer focused chains that have more than 20 locations.

And why should that matter? If they really want to force breweries to put nutritional info on labels, it should really be based on the size of the brewery, not the size of the restaurant that carries their beer.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:51 am to
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Okay, my next question is why is putting calorie content on the label hurting small business? Is it just the cost of fixing the labels?


yes...the cost and if you don't do it, you can't have your beer in larger chains, which is generally high volume accounts for small breweries

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Do you think that information will stop people from buying or consuming craft beer?


No, not at all

which is why it is useless, unwarranted legislation
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