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Nursing Homes "Shocked" at highly inaccurate CMS Covid data

Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:27 pm
Posted by goofball
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Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:27 pm
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Nursing Homes Shocked at 'Insanely Wrong' CMS Data on COVID-19

One facility supposedly had eight coronavirus deaths for each bed

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When the administrator of the Saugus Rehab and Nursing Center in Saugus, Massachusetts, heard that a new Medicare website reported her facility had 794 confirmed cases of COVID-19 -- the second highest in the country -- and 281 cases among staff, she gasped.

"Oh my God. Where are they getting those numbers from?" said Josephine Ajayi. "That doesn't make any sense."

Those weren't the numbers that her facility reported to the CDC's National Healthcare Safety Network, under new rules from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), she said.

Ajayi said her 80-bed facility actually reported 45 residents have tested positive and five residents died, although the CMS website showed no Saugus deaths. About 19 staff members tested positive for the virus, and most have returned to work, she said.

Officials at skilled nursing facilities around the country said Monday they were shocked to see their data reported inaccurately -- wildly so in some cases, as at the Saugus home -- on the new CMS public website launched Thursday. The numbers are scaring families, harming their reputations, and in some cases are physically impossible, given the number of beds or staff in their facilities, they said.

CMS approved an interim final rule May 1 requiring more than 15,000 nursing homes receiving Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement to report COVID data by May 31, and weekly going forward.

The data fill 56 columns detailing COVID-19 infected residents, staff, testing, and equipment, going back to at least May 1. As of Thursday, CMS said 88% of the nursing homes in the country had reported. Going forward after a grace period ended June 7, they risk fines of $1,000 and up for every week they fail to update their data.


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But in many cases, nursing home officials said their data were somehow scrambled, either because nursing home personnel reported in the wrong columns, or the numbers were loaded incorrectly somewhere between the CDC and CMS.

For example, Southern Pointe Living Center in Colbert, Oklahoma, with 95 beds, was reported to have had 339 residents die of COVID-19, yet no confirmed or suspected cases.

"We have not lost anyone nor have we had a [COVID-19] case in the building," said a woman identifying herself as an assistant at Southern Pointe but who declined to give her full name. The day after CMS released the data, on Friday, she said someone from the CDC called the facility to ask if their numbers were correct as reported, "and we told them no."

She added, "I don't know how that happened but that is an error on their end." As of Tuesday morning, the posted data had not been corrected.


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After a download of the data, a quick sort of the columns easily reveals extreme totals in various categories. But no one called those nursing homes before the data were released to doublecheck, for example, when 100-bed Smith Village in Chicago was shown to have 1,105 confirmed COVID-19 cases among residents and 955 confirmed COVID-19 cases among staff, the most in the country.


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Paula Sanders, an attorney in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, who represents some 200 skilled nursing facilities, said many of her clients "can't figure out where these numbers are coming from" and have been "frustrated" in trying to get them corrected since Thursday.

"This has destroyed the trust between the facilities and the families, because they've been reporting and telling the families, these are our numbers," Sanders said. "Then these numbers come out and don't make any sense at all. Unfortunately, some families are going to believe the government over the facilities."
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62226 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:29 pm to
We’re living in a parallel dimension where the more absurd something is, the more it’s accepted as normal.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:32 pm to
More likely incompetence of government employees than some grand scheme of manipulating numbers to a meh level.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70474 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:34 pm to
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government employees


this. some fatass mom running around after her 4 badass kids while trying to work from home. one of her kids was probably banging on her keypad while she was tallying the numbers
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26628 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:35 pm to
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Consider that the state data show 16 COVID-19 deaths among residents at Victoria Post Acute in El Cajon, but the CMS website says the virus has claimed 43 resident lives in the facility.


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Southern Pointe Living Center in Colbert, Oklahoma, with 95 beds, was reported to have had 339 residents die of COVID-19, yet no confirmed or suspected cases.


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In that article was a list (since removed) of "outliers" -- those with the highest numbers of cases and deaths among residents and staff -- that included Dellridge Health and Rehabilitation Center in Paramus, New Jersey. The CMS data indicated it had the most COVID-19 deaths of any nursing home in the country at 753.

That number is "insanely wrong," Jonathan Mechaly, Dellridge's marketing director, wrote in a frantic email. "We are a 90-bed center and have had less than 20 deaths!! How do you report such inaccurate numbers?"


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100-bed Smith Village in Chicago was shown to have 1,105 confirmed COVID-19 cases among residents and 955 confirmed COVID-19 cases among staff


Not just wrong - embarrassingly wrong.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
76237 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:41 pm to
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More likely incompetence of government employees than some grand scheme of manipulating numbers to a meh level.

Do we really need a system that requires input of data into 59 columns to track active cases, recoveries, and total deaths?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52678 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:41 pm to
Shocker.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:42 pm to
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More likely incompetence of government employees than some grand scheme of manipulating numbers to a meh level.


Sure seems to be a significant inflation in both the infection numbers and the fatalities. Incompetence or some political agenda....or perhaps nefarious with respect to Medicaid/Medicare fraud.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:47 pm to
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Do we really need a system that requires input of data into 59 columns to track active cases, recoveries, and total deaths?



They are likely tracking other things.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61824 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:51 pm to
Is this real?
Posted by GB1017LSU
Member since Nov 2015
1082 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:57 pm to
No surprise here...as we will discover- the information being reported has been greatly exaggerated.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32318 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:59 pm to
Insane that some, likely several people released these figures and never even noticed that they were EXTREME numbers. A nursing home with 75 beds damn sure doesn’t have +1,000 fricking deaths!

Damn some people are so stupid and the damn CDC didn’t have the sense to see the errors?
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80847 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:01 pm to
But wait. A whole bunch of people on this site said I was full of shite when I said a lot of these numbers are made up and misreported.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14005 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:02 pm to
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More likely incompetence of government employees


Those jobs are mostly outsourced these days.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:02 pm to
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A whole bunch of people on this site said I was full of shite when I said a lot of these numbers are made up and misreported.


They were misinformed....
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139245 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:05 pm to
These nursing homes are just too stupid to understand how this testing works. It's actually more severe than they think

-Tboy
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32318 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:06 pm to
Just a cursory glance at these numbers would tell anyone this shite is grossly overstated.

The fricking CDC didn’t even have the sense to catch this. SMDH
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
56855 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:08 pm to
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

Another agency that is nothing but a waste of tax payer dollars
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82501 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:13 pm to
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Those jobs are mostly outsourced these days.




Maybe the Iowa Democrats are tabulating the numbers.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78060 posts
Posted on 6/17/20 at 6:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 2:48 pm
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