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re: North/south divide in England vs America: English friend says England gap is wider
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:48 pm to soccerfüt
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:48 pm to soccerfüt
There absolutely is a north / south divide here.
I imagine to some degree it’s similar to in the USA...cuisine, regional accents, the weather!
I live about as south as can be, we get the best weather in the country... up north it always rains and is cold AF.
It’s considered that ‘Up north’ people are generally poorer and more working class and the southern counties are more affluent... and that’s generally true. There’s higher unemployment up north compared to the south...and this trickles down to how people vote.
A lot of the north vote labour... a working class party for the masses... down south people tend to vote conservative... the rich. London is actually kind of an exception this.
Houses are MUCH cheaper up north... you can literally buy a castle up there for the money of a 2 bed house in the south... and again, this comes down to affluence and jobs.
This isn’t to say the north is a terrible place... it absolutely isn’t, there’s some beautiful areas and some big cities... it’s just in the south, we wash more, went to school and don’t shag our sisters =)
It’s also quite amazing how much accents vary in the country... the Liverpool (north!) accent is disgusting... I barely understand a word they say... I’d hate for my experience of English people to come through the eyes of someone trying to talk to a Liverpudlian! Anyone who watches UFC... Darren Till is from Liverpool. Newcastle and the far north are equally disgusting. Birmingham have a strong noticeable accent and Bristol to the west all sound like farmers, London has a common twang and people in the southern counties sound, I guess what Americans think English people sound like... posh and proper!
I imagine to some degree it’s similar to in the USA...cuisine, regional accents, the weather!
I live about as south as can be, we get the best weather in the country... up north it always rains and is cold AF.
It’s considered that ‘Up north’ people are generally poorer and more working class and the southern counties are more affluent... and that’s generally true. There’s higher unemployment up north compared to the south...and this trickles down to how people vote.
A lot of the north vote labour... a working class party for the masses... down south people tend to vote conservative... the rich. London is actually kind of an exception this.
Houses are MUCH cheaper up north... you can literally buy a castle up there for the money of a 2 bed house in the south... and again, this comes down to affluence and jobs.
This isn’t to say the north is a terrible place... it absolutely isn’t, there’s some beautiful areas and some big cities... it’s just in the south, we wash more, went to school and don’t shag our sisters =)
It’s also quite amazing how much accents vary in the country... the Liverpool (north!) accent is disgusting... I barely understand a word they say... I’d hate for my experience of English people to come through the eyes of someone trying to talk to a Liverpudlian! Anyone who watches UFC... Darren Till is from Liverpool. Newcastle and the far north are equally disgusting. Birmingham have a strong noticeable accent and Bristol to the west all sound like farmers, London has a common twang and people in the southern counties sound, I guess what Americans think English people sound like... posh and proper!
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 2:55 pm
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:49 pm to Pettifogger
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US northerners who would call 911 if they saw a gun on someone's hip.
Is this really a northern thing? I know in NYC and in bigger cities its like that, but its not like that in rural north right? I can't imagine the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana.. Even in the rural New England states people would be anti-guns.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:51 pm to England_Pelican
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:52 pm to kingbob
quote:sounds like it’s your
you’re from the south and spend any amount of time outside of the south, you’ll quickly realize that even non-southerners in flyover country look down on the south and have a natural distrust of southerners as well as assume anyone with a southern accent is stupid. Southerners really are viewed by a substantial percentage pf the population in America as almost sub-human, sorta second-class citizens.
insecurity talking here
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Short answer is yes, and it has to do with London dominance the US is just much more diversified
I remember talking to some English guys once while in London, my wife asked other cool parts of the country and they just laughed like wtf this is the only place worth visiting in the entire country.
I remember talking to some English guys once while in London, my wife asked other cool parts of the country and they just laughed like wtf this is the only place worth visiting in the entire country.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:53 pm to England_Pelican
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England_Pelican
I was watching some YouTube video and they were interviewing people from hartlepool, and i literally could not understand what some of them were saying.
So, I guess one difference is that when Americans think of an English accent, they think of southern England.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
N. Italy and S. Italy are very different as well.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
In the Netflix Yorkshire Ripper Documentary they had to include subtitles for a bunch of people.
One thing I find fascinating is the theory that the "standard" American accent might be closer to what the English Accent was a few hundred years ago than what many English accents are now...
One thing I find fascinating is the theory that the "standard" American accent might be closer to what the English Accent was a few hundred years ago than what many English accents are now...
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:55 pm to greenwave
Heck N Louisiana and S Louisiana for that matter.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Funny how everybody hates the USA but they sure love using our products (Social Media, Movies, Games, TV Shows, Sports, clothes, etc etc etc
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:56 pm to OweO
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Is this really a northern thing? I know in NYC and in bigger cities its like that, but its not like that in rural north right? I can't imagine the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana.. Even in the rural New England states people would be anti-guns.
It's imperfect but I think it still exists. I know there are pleasant semi-rural New England towns that are completely unaccustomed to the gun culture seen prominently in the South.
But yeah, a lot of these comparisons are only so-so on a purely north-south basis. Obviously GA has 2 Dem senators, NH is a weird place politically, etc.
The cultural divide between say, suburban Atlanta and inner-city Portland is probably far more stark than any modern north-south divide. But even setting aside all the other regional differences and shifting landscapes, I think our north-south divide is probably bigger than in England.
One exception (although maybe not anymore because American pride is on the rocks too) would be that Thatcher-era England led to some of the northern cities basically disavowing being English at all. A lot of them won't root for the national teams or engage in other "English pride" things because of it.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:57 pm to AUFANATL
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There's a definite divide in Germany too - Bavaria vs. north.
This. Never realized this but I work with a (Northern) German guy. Made the mistake of referring to him as a Bavarian one day in passing. It did not go over well. The Northern Germans view the Southern Germans as animals.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:59 pm to Pettifogger
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One exception (although maybe not anymore because American pride is on the rocks too) would be that Thatcher-era England led to some of the northern cities basically disavowing being English at all. A lot of them won't root for the national teams or engage in other "English pride" things because of it.
If I recall correctly, this is because of the absolutely massive unemployment and general disastrous economy in the North during that time, right?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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So, I guess one difference is that when Americans think of an English accent, they think of southern England.
Yup yup! Strong northern accents really aren’t nice.
I guess a southern ( and I say typical probably with some bias) accent is articulate and words are much easier to understand to someone not English... northern tongue sounds like you’re chewing the inside of your face and spitting out dinner.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:00 pm to England_Pelican
quote:True
I live about as south as can be, we get the best weather in the country... up north it always rains and is cold AF
quote:True
It’s considered that ‘Up north’ people are generally poorer and more working class and the southern counties are more affluent... and that’s generally true. There’s higher unemployment up north compared to the south...and this trickles down to how people vote.
A lot of the north vote labour... a working class party for the masses... down south people tend to vote conservative... the rich. London is actually kind of an exception this
quote:True
Houses are MUCH cheaper up north... you can literally buy a castle up there for the money of a 2 bed house in the south... and again, this comes down to affluence and jobs
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.. it’s just in the south, we wash more, went to school and don’t shag our sisters =)
You may have gone to school and your vag is squeaky clean... but it sounds like you didn't learn much... Northerners shag sheep you bloody twit!
Full disclosure.. raised in Lancashire
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
In the Netflix Yorkshire Ripper Documentary they had to include subtitles for a bunch of people.
One thing I find fascinating is the theory that the "standard" American accent might be closer to what the English Accent was a few hundred years ago than what many English accents are now...
I have nothing to add to this but to tell you congrats on your 77777 post
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:00 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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sounds like it’s your
insecurity talking here
Not even remotely true. I’m 30, well-educated, and well-traveled. I don’t have a strong southern accent. Most people not from here assume that I’m from the ny area (I also look visibly Jewish). I have seen this happen more times than I can count since I was a child, as soon as people find out that I’m from the south, the way a lot of those people treat me is noticeably different. Southerners are some of the few remaining groups for which it’s still PC to stereotype and make fun of. TDS hasn’t helped things over the last 5 years or so.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:02 pm to kingbob
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If you’re from the south and spend any amount of time outside of the south, you’ll quickly realize that even non-southerners in flyover country look down on the south and have a natural distrust of southerners as well as assume anyone with a southern accent is stupid. Southerners really are viewed by a substantial percentage pf the population in America as almost sub-human, sorta second-class citizens.
Through 32 years military service and working for a huge federal agency, this is my experience as well. Southerns who do well outside the south usually work hard to lose the southern accent.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:02 pm to Fun Bunch
I've spent some time there and a good friend is from Maidstone, southeast of London. He describes it exactly how England_Pelican does, and my recollection mirrors it. I spent some time in Newcastle and that area is highly blue collar, unionized and less affluent. A southern English accent is highly desired, and he often described the girls in northern England as trashy hos (my interpretation of his classy English description).
I also remember the Midlands to be very, very south Asian (Indian, Paki, Bangladeshi)... so much so that it stood out in a rather multicultural area.
I also remember the Midlands to be very, very south Asian (Indian, Paki, Bangladeshi)... so much so that it stood out in a rather multicultural area.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:02 pm to BritLSUfan
Sheep shaggggggeeerrrssss!
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