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"No, Trans Women Are NOT ‘Biologically Male’"

Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:15 pm
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“Yes, trans women are women, but they’re still biologically male.”

Ever thought or said something like this? You might even have good intentions by stating what you think is a simple fact – after all, gender is a social construct, while sex is biological, right?

Actually, this “simple fact” of trans women being “biologically male” is inaccurate – and this misrepresentation of the truth is being used to justify some pretty hateful things.


So if you really want the facts, and to follow through on your good intentions by being a good ally, check out Riley J. Dennis’ explanation of why trans women are not biologically male.




Video is embedded, but I'll go ahead and post some of the transcript. :D

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This video is for the people who say, “Yes, trans women are women, but they are still biologically male.” Because, while their intentions might be good, the impact that these words have is actually very harmful. Trans women are not male, and saying that they are allows some people to justify the mistreatment of trans people.


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Alright, so, let’s say you’re trying to be a good ally to trans people, and you heard that sex and gender are two different things: Sex is biological, and gender is a social construct. That’s not entirely true. Sex and gender are two different things, but they’re both partly social constructs – just in different ways.


Biological sex is a social construct!

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Today, many of us recognize that gender is far more complicated than a person’s perceived sex, and we’re able to acknowledge that people can be transgender. Gender was a social construct before and still is now, but how we construct it has changed.

Now, we can say that your gender is based on how you identify because we realized that basing gender on perceived sex was oppressive. Again, I’m not really talking about society at large, because a lot of people still don’t fully understand what it means to be transgender, but I mean within trans-accepting communities.


Because I would argue that sex needs to go through the same change that gender has already gone through. It’s not a static fact; it’s a social construct.


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Sex is a way of categorizing humans based on a combination of a few traits: chromosomes, genitals (Content warning: drawings of genitals, anti-trans aggression), gonads, hormones, and secondary sex characteristics like facial hair or breast development. Most people never have their chromosomes tested. They’re not tested at birth, and they’re not tested at regular check-ups. Unless your doctor suspects that something might be wrong with your chromosomes, you’ll probably never have them tested in your life, and you certainly can’t tell a person’s chromosomes by looking at them.


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Plus, all of these secondary sex characteristics can be changed either through hormones or surgery. When people assigned female at birth take testosterone, they tend to get deeper voices and grow more facial hair, while people assigned male at birth can take estrogen and develop breasts and more subcutaneous fat. And if puberty blockers are taken before hormones, a person assigned female at birth might never experience a “female” natal puberty – or vice versa for people assigned male at birth. So, the sex you are assigned at birth doesn’t necessarily tell you what secondary sex characteristics you will have later in life. That means that telling someone you know their sex based on their secondary sex characteristics is just not true.


Pretty eye-opening, if you ask me.





Riley J. Dennis is a Contributing Vlogger for Everyday Feminism. She’s a polyamorous, atheist, gender non-binary trans woman with a passion for fiction writing, feminism, and technology. She got her BA from Whittier College in 2015 doing a self-designed major called Writing Worlds, a mixture of creative writing and anthropology, focused on realistic fictional world building. Find her on her website, YouTube channel, or Twitter @RileyJayDennis. Check out her videos here.

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ok
Posted by Loungefly85
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:17 pm to
Bitch's Adam's apple begs to differ.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:17 pm to
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She got her BA from Whittier College in 2015 doing a self-designed major called Writing Worlds, a mixture of creative writing and anthropology, focused on realistic fictional world building.


She certainly does that well.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:18 pm to
This will be a civilized discussion
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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God damn it, screw this, I'm going back to the Katherine Webb bikini thread.
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Fascinating
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Called it!!!
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:22 pm to
I could tell right away that is a dude. Who does he think he's fooling?
Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:24 pm to
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And if puberty blockers are taken before hormones, a person assigned female at birth might never experience a “female” natal puberty


Wait, how do they get around the whole fallopian tube thing? Do they think men can grow them if we try hard enough? Can we?
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Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:25 pm to
You seem passionate about this topic, Sabi.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:25 pm to
Yuck
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:26 pm to
Are you trying to warm us up before introducing your new "girlfriend"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:27 pm to
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Sex is a way of categorizing humans based on a combination of a few traits: chromosomes, genitals (Content warning: drawings of genitals, anti-trans aggression), gonads, hormones, and secondary sex characteristics like facial hair or breast development. Most people never have their chromosomes tested. They’re not tested at birth, and they’re not tested at regular check-ups. Unless your doctor suspects that something might be wrong with your chromosomes, you’ll probably never have them tested in your life, and you certainly can’t tell a person’s chromosomes by looking at them.

remove makeup, plastic surgery, and hormones and i'm willing to take this bet
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:27 pm to
So his argument is that people's sexual characteristics can't be predicted by their birth sex because they can have surgery or take other steps to change them? I guess in that case, the fact I was born a human doesn't mean I'm not a bird, because I might at some point have decided to have a beak sown on my face.

People who actually believe this shite are either mentally ill or willfully retarded.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:28 pm to
I can only laugh at this point. Literally laughed at the picture at the bottom.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:30 pm to
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So his argument is that people's sexual characteristics can't be predicted by their birth sex because they can have surgery or take other steps to change them?

People who actually believe this shite are either mentally ill or willfully retarded.

The good news is that when they have the surgery, they sterilize themselves so we don't have to worry about doing it for them.
Posted by RedPants
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:31 pm to
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She got her BA from Whittier College in 2015 doing a self-designed major called Writing Worlds


So you can now get degrees in things you just make up? Colleges are doomed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:32 pm to
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People who actually believe this shite are either mentally ill or willfully retarded.

it's the "can't give an inch" argument

they know when they start "giving an inch" in the argument, tehy're on the path to getting owned

so in response, they create these literally insane arguments (while feeling oh so clever) to avoid giving that inch

as an intelligent person in the "middle" it's fricking amazing. i haven't seen such a belief system get rationally stretched this far since my Religion class in 1st-2nd grade
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