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re: No punishment for 16 West Point cadets in raised-fist photo
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:33 am to BatonrougeCajun
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:33 am to BatonrougeCajun
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This is not a big deal and not a news worthy story. I get the whole political statement in uniform argument but this doesnt feel like activism. Seems more like the black females on campus are just proud to be black and took a picture in a pose made famous by blacks during civil rights. I'm fine with this
You are fine with it because you dont know anything about being in the military.
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Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:34 am to CharlieDay
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That symbol is widely used in Asian cultures to this very day.
Ok. Make it your desktop background and use that excuse as HR is kicking your arse out the door
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:34 am to lsupride87
so now west point is scared of SJW
wow
wow
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:34 am to lsupride87
I think the main issue with this thread is posters are trying to give the cadets the same "rights" as everyday college civilians. They think they are being good libertarians by saying nothing should be done. The military people in this thread understand certain civilian rights are lost when you join the military. There are simple rules you must follow or face discipline. And nobody should be above those rules.
However, for some reason, disagreeing with West Points decision somehow makes us "offended." I have yet to see someone claiming this explain how that makes any sense
However, for some reason, disagreeing with West Points decision somehow makes us "offended." I have yet to see someone claiming this explain how that makes any sense
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:35 am to lsupride87
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I think the main issue with this thread is posters are trying to give the cadets the same "rights" as everyday college civilians. They think they are being good libertarians by saying nothing should be done. The military people in this thread understand certain civilian rights are lost when you join the military. There are simple rules you must follow or face discipline. And nobody should be above those rules.
I use to see Facebook post from my army friends all the time with rebel flags while in active duty.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:39 am to uway
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Selective enforcement of the rules leads to selective respect for the rules.
I'm liberal but I despise double standards. More and more, some liberals (especially the "liberal" Democrat party) simply will not call their own out. I hate the "my team, your team" and it certainly goes for racial politics.
I find my support for BLM eroding every time I see something like this. The Ferguson officer was cleared, yet there was no acknowledgement by BLM that their protest was wrong. The woman who ran off the media from the campus was wrong. One standard, not two.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:39 am to Dire Wolf
quote:Ok
I use to see Facebook post from my army friends all the time with rebel flags while in active duty
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:40 am to lsupride87
USMC 2008-2012. Not bothered in the least. I would have asked questions like West Point had done and find out it was a big nothing burger like it was. Inform them how this can be construed by others and to think about it. Case dismissed. Sorry I'm not willing to ruin the careers of 21 y/o bc some people had their jimmies rustled. If they had patterns of misconduct then they wouldn't have gotten to this point to begin with. Not that many at least.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:43 am to CharlieDay
quote:Who wants their careers ruined? Not me. I dont think this is a big deal at all. I also dont think the cadets had ill will. But they used terrible judgement while in uniform. For that, I think a form of low level discipline was warranted
Sorry I'm not willing to ruin the careers of 21 y/o bc some people had their jimmies rustled
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:46 am to lsupride87
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Ok. Make it your desktop background and use that excuse as HR is kicking your arse out the door
Never once said it was ok to use in America. Just stating a fact for someone who probably hasn't left the comforts of their own border. There are cultures that don't get offended by everything Fox or CNN shows them.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:48 am to lsupride87
Their future white subordinates will be thrilled when they walk into these ladies' offices and find this picture hanging right behind their desks.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:48 am to Charlie Arglist
Laughable that the group of black women posing as militants with their fists high in air as a political statement receive no backlash. 
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:49 am to Charlie Arglist
the army is a fricking joke anyway.
may as well go all out.
may as well go all out.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:49 am to CharlieDay
I don't think anyone has suggested that they lose their career. I don't care if they are punished. However, the statement "that the cadets did not pre-plan or set out to make a political statement" seems to clearly to be b.s.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:52 am to CharlieDay
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USMC 2008-2012. Not bothered in the least. I would have asked questions like West Point had done and find out it was a big nothing burger like it was. Inform them how this can be construed by others and to think about it. Case dismissed. Sorry I'm not willing to ruin the careers of 21 y/o bc some people had their jimmies rustled. If they had patterns of misconduct then they wouldn't have gotten to this point to begin with. Not that many at least.
Yep. And that's exactly how they handled it.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:54 am to lsupride87
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But they used terrible judgement while in uniform. For that, I think a form of low level discipline was
And that is exactly what happaned. Read the article. They will get a talking too and probably extra duties.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:55 am to Yewkindewit
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Laughable that the group of black women posing as militants with their fists high in air as a political statement receive no backlash.
I don't care if they did what the 2008-12 Marine said. What is laughable is their conclusion that this had nothing to do with politics.
To me, it means that the Commander in charge didn't have the courage to face the right if he only explained to them how that would be construed.
I'd have no problem with "I explained to them how their political statement would be construed and that it was inappropriate, which they acknowledged, and now we're moving on."
And then move on.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:57 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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That is on WLOX LINK This post was edited on 5/11 at 8:25 am
So a few thought it was racist. It was obviously not. And there was no disciplinary action. OK.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:58 am to yoga girl
quote:Spot on. That simple
To me, it means that the Commander in charge didn't have the courage to face the right if he only explained to them how that would be construed.
I'd have no problem with "I explained to them how their political statement would be construed and that it was inappropriate, which they acknowledged, and now we're moving on."
And then move on.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:11 am to lsupride87
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Laughable that the group of black women posing as militants with their fists high in air as a political statement receive no backlash.
There is so much dishonesty and "my team your team" now but everyone seems to get a free pass. There are too many apologists (and I've probably been one of them at times). This clearly was a political statement, but no one apparently had the gumption (is that a word - my dad says it :LOL") to say it was AND to not formally punish them. The right wants to beat them down for this. But, my side wants to bankrupt a bakery for not baking a cake.
Lots of hypocrisy. We need way more "it was wrong but it is resolved and we're moving on" rather than people who worry about special interest groups bitching about their decision.
What would have been best (not sure if the military would allow it) would be for the women to say "we made a mistake and we're sorry" but if you want more of that, then you have to accept it where appropriate (e.g. no apology for some serial killer).
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