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re: No punishment for 16 West Point cadets in raised-fist photo

Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:07 am to
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
8259 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:07 am to
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Well just being black in an all black group has political implications doesn't it? Or just being black period based on the responses in the initial topic.


Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8582 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:19 am to
Funny. This board constantly scoffs at the innocuous things that offend people, and yet here it is, taking the utmost offense at such an inconsequential event.
Posted by City
Member since Jul 2005
1233 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:49 am to
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Not receiving proper discipline happens all the time, mostly when it comes to the rich and powerfully connected (and yes even being white helps).

I just think it's a silly lack of perspective to complain that a group of cadets potentially got away with something just because they were black!


They are a proud group of black women graduating from a prestigious institution that has not, historically, had all that many black female graduates. I congratulate them for their accomplishment.

Somewhere along the way (and by that I mean constantly) they are taught that they are not special snowflakes. They are all integral parts of a whole body that works together under a very specific set of guidelines formulated to promote camaraderie, and specifically non-exclusivity.

If they feel like they need to express the fact that they are special, or exceptions to the rule...they are a liability. That little display of solidarity (which was undoubtedly political, despite your biased intellectual dishonesty) should be taken as a point of concern in their future ability to lead without having underlying prejudice toward a certain group.

The raised fists was obviously not an extemporaneous gesture (e.g. "everybody do duck face!").

If a group of white male cadets in uniform spontaneously decided to scribble "#AllLivesMatter" on a piece of cardboard and hold it front and center for their group picture, I feel fairly certain that there would have been disciplinary action taken.

Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92903 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:53 am to
We need Trump ssssssooooo badly. You know everyone in the military hates this shite but the Muslim Pussy In Chief won't let them do anything about it....
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77214 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:32 am to
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Great for them.

BLACK POWER
Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
900 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:04 am to
Dindu nuffin
Posted by Boxcar
Richmond VA
Member since Mar 2016
900 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:06 am to
What service? They arent vetrans, there in school?
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:49 am to
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Both are signs of power towards a race and should not be shown by or on a government run military facility.

That is YOUR opinion.
quote:

You noted this, that is your/others OPINION. While you think highly of YOUR opinion, maybe realize that other people don't.

Looks like the powers at West Point also agree that it was no big deal.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:01 am to
I agree they are not soldiers yet and far from it.
Huge difference they are still cadets just like someone in rotc in college.
I never saluted those cadets when I was in the army until they got commissioned and were a soldier.
They were cherries when they did field exercises with us and slowed us down during training exercises. Huge difference between soldiers that had combat experience and cherries who knew they would never see a battlefield.

They did this in front of a building that represents the army which is disrespectful.
If some other race did this white guys or white women then it would be all over the news.
It is a double standard.

West Point is suppose to develop great tacticians in the battlefield.
Ok, they all need to be assigned to front line infantry platoons and give the tax payer what they paid for.
West Point should not be pushing out desk jockeys they should be pushing out great platoon leaders.
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
22450 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:20 am to
quote:

West Point is suppose to develop great tacticians in the battlefield.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68603 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:24 am to
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West Point's superintendent, Lt. Gen. Robert Caslen Jr

Is either full of shite or scared shitless of the backlash
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:30 am to
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which is disrespectful. If some other race did this white guys or white women then it would be all over the news. It is a double standard.

No it would not. This was an innocuous event .
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 6:31 am
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:33 am to
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t, he said, they showed "a lapse of awareness in how symbols and gestures can be misinterpreted and cause division" and they will g

Y'all left out this part. So they'll get a talking to and probably have some extra duties. Happy?
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138845 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:41 am to
Foot soldiers from the farm, the trailer park and the hood just can't stand an officer from west point

It is like the townies versus the college kids
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 6:42 am
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:42 am to
Maybe not publicly, but I guarantee as they try to climb in rank they will meet resistance with the old guard.
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2987 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:44 am to
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So they'll get a talking to and probably have some extra duties.

So what they did was wrong?
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:52 am to
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t, he said, they showed "a lapse of awareness in how symbols and gestures can be misinterpreted and cause division" and they will g

As in violating rules of West Point regarding political statements? No and West Point agrees.
As in showing a lack of awareness of how symbols can be misinterpreted by certain groups? I agree with that statement. That is certainly evidenced right here on the OT.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:55 am to
Idk where this thread has headed past the first page but here's my two cents. This SJW/BLM shite would go away if we stopped giving it a platform. Just stopped covering it, stopped talking about it, and stopped giving a frick about it.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21768 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:59 am to
if a white softball player wearing a monkey mask in the dugout during a game is considered racist then so should this picture.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:02 am to
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if a white softball player wearing a monkey mask in the dugout during a game is considered racist then so should this picture.

Who considers that racist ? Not me. I seriously doubt whoever that player was meant it in a racial context. what were the consequences for that softball player? If that happened at West Point, I would think consequences would be similar. The player would not be formally punished. But she would get a talking to about how something can be misinterpreted and cause division. That is what happened with the cadets
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 7:14 am
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