re: New Yorker Article: Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

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Time to go back to blue books and a closed book/computer exams.

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That's the easy part that has already been implemented. The hard part now is finding a replacement for the writings of essays/papers.

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That's the easy part that has already been implemented. The hard part now is finding a replacement for the writings of essays/papers.

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That’s trickier for sure. My first instinct is to go with a policy of “fail the exam, and you fail the course.” If someone gets a straight up F on the exam after doing “well” on all the papers, something is probably amiss.

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I had to ban ChatGPT on my 12 year olds Chromebook because I caught her using it for homework.

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My son is a freshman at Rummel, there's a way they catch students using AI to do homework and papers. If they're caught, it's a zero, after so many offenses, it's a suspension, then expulsion.

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frick a cheater. Its theft.

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Wrote formulas on my thighs a couple of times and wore shorts. Good times.

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Nice

This is all fine and well until that recent graduate while at their new job has to sit in a room full of their peers and superiors and are forced to answer a complicated question on the fly. I see this very often now. You can tell the people who are using some sort of AI technology to write their emails as you know that don’t have the verbal skill set to communicate that well on their own. It’s when they get in a live meeting environment that it frankly becomes a train wreck.

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son is a freshman at Rummel, there's a way they catch students using AI to do homework and papers. If they're caught, it's a zero, after so many offenses, it's a suspension, then expulsion.

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I’m surprised this wasn’t down voted. There’s at least one pos in this thread that thinks cheating is ok.

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Second, ban laptops from class and permit open note (by hand) tests and timed essays for testing (midterm and final).

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That would be one way, but you really don't even have to do that with the computer observing programs they have now. Just set it up that they can only go to the test and have to submit the test before they log out.

At the high school I teach at we got access to the Lightspeed program, so I've been using it on class, particularly for testing. I can see whatever is on their screen and what tabs they have open, and close any tabs if I choose to. It also gives a notification if the students go into an AI program.

And yeah, they'll cheat like a mofo on written assignments, and barely any of them can write or think for themselves these days. I'll constantly see the students logged into chatgpt or openAI using for English or Math assignments. I teach Anatomy, so it's a little harder for them to use it for stuff I care about, but I've busted a few kids here and there and handed out zeros.

Yep. Its actually further separating the capable from the incapable.

Interviewing college grads is comical these days. There's some damned smart talented and driven young professionals out there these days but there are far more who've just outsmarted the system and think they'll chat gpt their way to a 7 figure income while all the dumb old people founder.