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re: New pickup/suv that is off-road capable
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:34 pm to BHM
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:34 pm to BHM
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Box frame and perhaps even a small diesel.
Nope.
After all of these years and false hopes, promises and demands I'm convinced I will never see this in my lifetime.
This was the last of them. If you have one, keep it forever.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:44 pm to goofball
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Tacoma Limited, Ford F150, and F250 have the same issues. You are supposed to remove those plastic lips before off roading
It took me all of three minutes being offroad in my '17 Taco before I jumped out and took my front air dam off. That shite sits way too low and I didn't buy the vehicle for its gas mileage.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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The closest thing I can find is the approach angle for a k1500 Suburban at 18 degrees. Those have similar ground clearance to the trucks and used the same front body panels and bumpers, so I think it's safe to say they are equivalent. wiki link
I would think the difference to be negligible, but an inch or two would be expected. Different springs and all.
Approach angle is more important than clearance, in my book, but approach angle does not directly reflect clearance. Considering it cab be greatly altered by front overhang.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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Just one example 1997 Chevy 1500 4wd ground clearance was 6.9" data
2018 Silverado ground clearance is 8.7" data
Very misleading and you of all people should know why
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:50 pm to LNCHBOX
Computer was online bruh. I pay extra for the fancy internet with multiple tabs open. I'll keep my eyes peeled when I go to lunch.
Eta: I do not think the newer 4wd systems are any better than old ones. If you've been in the mud with them, you might agree. I don't want my truck deciding to put the brakes on when a wheel spins. I'm trying to go wide fricking open
Eta: I do not think the newer 4wd systems are any better than old ones. If you've been in the mud with them, you might agree. I don't want my truck deciding to put the brakes on when a wheel spins. I'm trying to go wide fricking open
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:50 pm to nola000
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Yikes. That's it. Damn.
I think I'm too low at 14
Unless you are driving a modified GWagen or H1 your clearance will be well below that.
Everything is less than a foot even with independent rear suspension.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:55 pm to LNCHBOX
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ETA: The closest thing I can find is the approach angle for a k1500 Suburban at 18 degrees.
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A crew cab 4x4 Silverado has an approach angle of 18.1 degrees according to this article
Yikes.
My Disco II has a 30° approach.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:05 pm to Hammertime
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Eta: I do not think the newer 4wd systems are any better than old ones. If you've been in the mud with them, you might agree. I don't want my truck deciding to put the brakes on when a wheel spins. I'm trying to go wide fricking open
100 percent agree
All the traction control bullshite makes things way worse in my experience
I've had to disable it all anytime I'm offroad
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:08 pm to CP3
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I've had to disable it all anytime I'm offroad
I think that is actually step 1 when going offroad
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:11 pm to fightin tigers
Same. When I first got the truck I was basically stuck in a wet grass lot. Until u turned all the bullshite off and had real un interrupted 4x4
ETA- 3wd before some smartass comes in. Rear locked, front not.
ETA- 3wd before some smartass comes in. Rear locked, front not.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:11 pm to ColoradoAg03
quote:I'll be rolling with the Tacoma two of the reasons being the reliability and value when it comes time to sell.
I'm actually looking at both the trucks for my next vehicle. My '06 Grand Cherokee is almost done. Or I may just get a newer one.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:21 pm to LNCHBOX
Just measured my 04 2500hd ground clearance at the lowest point (rear pumpkin). My tires are exactly 31.5" tall, and the bottom of the rear end is 8.125" off of the ground.
With the same sized tires, the rear diff of a new one should be exactly the same (since they still use the same axle). The front valence is what's lower on the new ones. I don't feel like posting pics, because I'm not at the computer anymore, but the newer ones have a front valence that stops 2/3 down the tire. Older ones only go 1/2 way down the tire, so the rear end is the lowest point
With the same sized tires, the rear diff of a new one should be exactly the same (since they still use the same axle). The front valence is what's lower on the new ones. I don't feel like posting pics, because I'm not at the computer anymore, but the newer ones have a front valence that stops 2/3 down the tire. Older ones only go 1/2 way down the tire, so the rear end is the lowest point
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:23 pm to CP3
You try hitting the brakes? It used to work on everything
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:33 pm to fightin tigers
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Unless you are driving a modified GWagen or H1 your clearance will be well below that.
Everything is less than a foot even with independent rear suspension.
Well, its a Disco but the only suspension mods are slightly larger OD tires and a moderate lift. For that and about $10k you get 30° approach, 14" ground clearance, center locking differential, full-time 4WD, 3.4:1 transfer case, hill decent control and a solid front axle.
Youll be working on it every week but its British. So...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:36 pm to nola000
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14" ground clearance,
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solid front axle.
I admit I know nothing about Discoveries
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:40 pm to whit
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the last two F150’s ive bought ive taken them immediately to get leveled
If you have the factory LED headlights, then you suck. If there is ever a vehicle in my rear view blinding me, it’s usually a new F150 that’s been leveled.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:42 pm to fightin tigers
The new ones are kinda shitty. The last real off-road vehicle Land Rover made was the '04 Discovery(maybe they still make the Defender ).
Soccer moms, rappers and British engineers killed the brand.
Thats why I disagreed with LNCHBOX over his assertion that newer vehicles are anywhere near as capable or reliable off-road as most older vehicles. Too many concessions were made for passenger comfort and ease of use.
Most guys that are serious into off-road are looking for body-on-frame chassis and SFAs unless they are going Baja or rally racing. You cant find new vehicles designed this way and all the electronics and other accoutrements just get in the way and make the vehicle less reliable. K.I.S.S. philosophy.
). Soccer moms, rappers and British engineers killed the brand.
Thats why I disagreed with LNCHBOX over his assertion that newer vehicles are anywhere near as capable or reliable off-road as most older vehicles. Too many concessions were made for passenger comfort and ease of use.
Most guys that are serious into off-road are looking for body-on-frame chassis and SFAs unless they are going Baja or rally racing. You cant find new vehicles designed this way and all the electronics and other accoutrements just get in the way and make the vehicle less reliable. K.I.S.S. philosophy.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:49 pm to Eli Goldfinger
AEV Brute
G Wagon with portal axles
G Wagon with portal axles
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:49 pm to nola000
I was just referencing that I don't get how they pull off a solid axle above the center of the wheel.
I've seen some designs that involve geared housing and obviously angling the diff, just didnt think those came on the Discovery.
I've seen some designs that involve geared housing and obviously angling the diff, just didnt think those came on the Discovery.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:50 pm to Steadyhands
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It's called get a 2500 model...you know, a real truck.
2500’s are pretty fricking useless in mud
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