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re: New pickup/suv that is off-road capable
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:03 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:03 am to fightin tigers
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Do you have actual numbers or just a gut feeling?
The only actual numbers that can be found support my claim. I'm the only person not operating on my gut
ETA: The closest thing I can find is the approach angle for a k1500 Suburban at 18 degrees. Those have similar ground clearance to the trucks and used the same front body panels and bumpers, so I think it's safe to say they are equivalent. wiki link
A crew cab 4x4 Silverado has an approach angle of 18.1 degrees according to this article
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:14 am to LNCHBOX
I have done a lot of construction, and have been a finish carpenter for a while. My eyeballing works
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:14 am to Hammertime
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I have done a lot of construction, and have been a finish carpenter for a while. My eyeballing works
Not based on the actual numbers I just posted. Can't wait to hear how those are wrong too.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:17 am to Eli Goldfinger
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New pickup/suv that is off-road capable
For SUVs, you are limited to Wrangler, 4Runner or paying out the nose for a Z71 Tahoe, Z71 Suburban, or Land Cruiser
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:20 am to dewster
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For SUVs, you are limited to Wrangler, 4Runner or paying out the nose for a Z71 Tahoe, Z71 Suburban, or Land Cruiser
Grand Cherokee TrailHawk is (relatively) cheap and very capable.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:21 am to LNCHBOX
Is this the knuckle-checking thread?
ETA: Just get a 4Runner like everyone else.
ETA: Just get a 4Runner like everyone else.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:23 am to Eli Goldfinger
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that would tear the plastic off the front on the 2018, you’re a rahtard.
I noticed that the newer Z71 Tahoes have entirely different lower front ends than the soccer mom trim levels. They actually gave it a decent approach angle.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:26 am to member12
I've noticed now that I've posted approach angles that don't jive with Eli and Hammertime that they've both gotten very quiet even though both are online and surely have looked at the new replies to this thread
ETA: AND bitch arse Eli downvoted my posts on this page.
ETA: AND bitch arse Eli downvoted my posts on this page.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
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A crew cab 4x4 Silverado has an approach angle of 18.1 degrees according to this article
I think that is with the front plastic bit attached. I think Toyota measures approach with theirs removed.
I'm not sure why they keep it on the Z71 Silverado but have a trim level-specific off-road focused bumper with a substantial approach angle on the Z71 Tahoe and Suburban.
Kind of odd to me. The regular Tahoes have a different front end than the off road models. Toyota has a different front end for the 4Runner TRD as well for the same reason.
I'd say that right now, the most affordable off-road capable 4 door SUVs you can get are the 4Runner TRD, Tahoe Z71, Wrangler Unlimited, and possibly the Jeep Trail Hawk Grand Cherokee.
I guess the Suburban Z71 has the same approach angle, diff locks, and hill descent as the Tahoe Z71, but a much longer break over angle. Probably okay for flat lands with the right tires though.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:30 am to Steadyhands
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I hate that unlevel stand on the 1500 models...what is that about? It looks horrible. Trucks should come out of factory level.
That's by design. More aero when empty; and they level out just fine when they're close to full payload.
A truck that's been leveled out get's that "squat stance" when it's hauling or towing. Looks stupid to me.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
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New pickup/suv that is off-road capable
Jeep GC with airbag suspension
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:37 am to LNCHBOX
A hunting buddy of mine wanted to take his 2015 Silverado to one of our spots last season. It’s a little rough, but it’s a place where I have driven my stock 1989 many times with no problems.
He approached a washout the same way I do, but he ended up ripping the plastic under his bumper and getting his bumper hung up on a root. That trip cost him about $600.
So...that’s the only proof I need.
He approached a washout the same way I do, but he ended up ripping the plastic under his bumper and getting his bumper hung up on a root. That trip cost him about $600.
So...that’s the only proof I need.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:38 am to Eli Goldfinger
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So...that’s the only proof I need.
Yea, frick actual numbers. Your dumbass friend is all we need.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:38 am to Damone
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Land Cruiser
These have really turned into oversized luxo-yachts lately. I don’t think they are what they once were.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:40 am to LNCHBOX
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Yea, frick actual numbers.
Agreed.
Real world trumps fluffed up GM numbers.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:40 am to Eli Goldfinger
Roush racing F250. Comes with gold plated truck nuts
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:42 am to goofball
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These have really turned into oversized luxo-yachts lately. I don’t think they are what they once were.
They are still one of the most capable factory offroaders.
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Unlike other full-size SUVs, the Land Cruiser was not designed with an on-road bias backed up by secondary off-road capability. No, this vehicle was designed around a duty cycle that would rattle a Sequoia, Tahoe, or Armada to pieces at 40,000 kilometers. And it shows in the Land Cruiser's on-road manners. They are in a word, unfortunate. Every vehicle presents compromises. For the Land Cruiser it's pavement. The brakes are non-linear. They feature an inflection point when slowing through 30mph where they become progressive and haul the big SUV to a stop with unwanted abruptness. After a week with the big Toyota its brakes did not grow on me.
Moreover, Land Cruiser drivers should not be in a hurry. Despite its modest dimensions, it is as heavy or heavier than any other full-size 4X4 SUV. It even out-weighs its notoriously portly near-peer the LR4. Acceleration, steering, and cornering are languid. The Land Cruiser is the tortoise of cars. It tells its driver, take your time, there's no rush. Just follow that Avalon in the right lane.
Dirt, sand, and mud are home for the Land Cruiser. But it's not due to a personality transformation. The Toyota is like your blunt opinionated cousin who entertains at Thanksgiving but can't seem to get ahead professionally. The Land Cruiser hasn't changed; it's simply a matter of context, and off-highway is its preferred venue. Washboard, a reliably uncomfortable test for most SUV's, is no problem. The Toyota does not approach washboard like a Raptor, which smoothes the bumps through speed and internal-bypass wizardry. The Land Cruiser takes them head-on with a workman-like approach befitting its heft and near six-digit price. Boulders, water, rutted out off-camber inclines, the Land Cruiser doesn't care.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:42 am to lsufan1971
$100k?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:43 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Real world trumps fluffed up GM numbers.
An independent article where Gm was one of the lowest scoring was fluffed up by GM?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:44 am to Eli Goldfinger
Owners manual in the Colorado without the ZR2 package dictates that the owner remove the air dam before serious off roading. I’m sure the Silverado manual has the same language.
Tacoma Limited, Ford F150, and F250 have the same issues. You are supposed to remove those plastic lips before off roading. They are really only there so that the vehicles perform slightly better in EPA fuel consumption tests.
I would take it off and never put it back on. That seems to be what most owners do.
Tacoma Limited, Ford F150, and F250 have the same issues. You are supposed to remove those plastic lips before off roading. They are really only there so that the vehicles perform slightly better in EPA fuel consumption tests.
I would take it off and never put it back on. That seems to be what most owners do.
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