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re: New Orleans’ new airport terminal opening delayed to fall 2019
Posted on 4/11/19 at 10:01 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 4/11/19 at 10:01 pm to I B Freeman
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Here are the 25 busiest airport in the USA
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How many of these airports have built new replacement terminals in the last 20 years???
Why the arbitrary number of top 25 airports in last 20 years? Oh, because DIA replaced Stapleton 24 years ago? And you’re smart enough to know that all these airports are hub airports and have undergone continuous additions/renovations. Mainly building new terminals then tearing down the old ones. MSY is limited in space adding on new terminals on the south ramp.
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 10:19 pm to Golfer
They didn’t need more terminals/concourses. Hell they shut down concourse A and 2-3 gates in B are abandoned. Could have been 10 more Gates there if needed
They simply needed a way to centralize security and connect all existing concourses.
But Mitch and his cronies couldn’t have made as much money that way
They simply needed a way to centralize security and connect all existing concourses.
But Mitch and his cronies couldn’t have made as much money that way
Posted on 4/11/19 at 10:20 pm to Golfer
IB Freeman seems like one of those backward baby boomers that no one can stand
Posted on 4/12/19 at 7:38 am to LSUFanHouston
I flew Delta the other day st 6am, it took 45 minutes to get through security
On the way back in EWR, they had one security station with four agents, and no people as it was Precheck, then one line with three people for everyone else. It took an hour to get through.
When I fly Swa it's always quicker. So I guess security depends on the gate.
On the way back in EWR, they had one security station with four agents, and no people as it was Precheck, then one line with three people for everyone else. It took an hour to get through.
When I fly Swa it's always quicker. So I guess security depends on the gate.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 7:44 am to Mr Perfect
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IB Freeman seems like one of those backward baby boomers that no one can stand
he just doesn't like wasteful government spending (or government having too much interference in markets, but that's for the poli board)
this airport is a disaster so far and it's not even complete. it's approaching double the (already inflated) projected costs, is delayed, and is part of a larger clusterfrick that adds tens of millions in extra direct costs and incalculable millinos in indirect personal costs (of people who will have to deal with the traffic and logistical clusterfricker just living or traveling tangent to this boondoggle)
Posted on 4/12/19 at 7:46 am to Cosmo
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They didn’t need more terminals/concourses. Hell they shut down concourse A and 2-3 gates in B are abandoned. Could have been 10 more Gates there if needed
They simply needed a way to centralize security and connect all existing concourses.
But Mitch and his cronies couldn’t have made as much money that way
exactly
sure, there needed to be some change (although a lot of the aesthetic complaints are irrelevant. it's a fricking airport not a museum)
this is more than change. this is burning money and inconveniencing people for years just to say they enacted change
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:22 am to Hangover Haven
This project has been a shite show since they broke ground. None of this is surprising.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:24 am to Hangover Haven
Please tell me they are expanding it again and this is the cause of the delay.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:36 am to I B Freeman
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I B Freeman
I had to jump in here because you are ignorant.
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Bet you $100 maintenance cost will not go down.
The O&M costs of operating a 40+ year old facility are quite significant. Concourse A was shuttered as soon as they could move US to C because of the maintenance issues. The core terminal (pre-security) is also facing a lot of deferred maintenance. A new facility will not have the same scope of maintenance work from the start.
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3) There was no flexibility in security. They had to maintain security in three terminals instead of moving capacity around.
What are you talking about???
Let's try to break it down.
Old terminal-three checkpoints that had to be staffed regardless of hourly demand at each terminal.
New terminal- one massive checkpoint that is staffed continuously.
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They could move TSA into the terminal in front of B and A and use all of A for food vendors if you want.
A is boarded up and where would you move security? into that tight space between the Saints store and the vertical circulation corridor?
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Spend a billion so a very few people not satisfied with the food offerings at MSY can have more while roads suck, SWB sucks and taxes are high. Where is the logic there??
Let me help you find the logic. The terminal is funded by Passenger Facility Charges (PFCs), FAA grants PFC backed bonds, and airline-approved rates and charges. Your roads, and taxes are the taxpayer's problem... but the airport is not.
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I have never gone hungry in MSY nor have you. Who wants to get to the terminal so far ahead of their flight to have a sit down meal?? Have you tried to eat past TSA at Midway??
No I have not gone hungry either, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that the concessions at MSY are a joke relative to its other medium hub (FAA designation) peers.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:41 am to SM6
Good to see common sense on here.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:53 am to SM6
NO can do as they please, it’s their airport; however, they should build their own interstate interchange and not rely on the state. That’s what we are doing in EBR now.
The state can’t fix highway 1, but they can find money for this ?
State priorities are messed up.
The state can’t fix highway 1, but they can find money for this ?
State priorities are messed up.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:53 am to dupergreenie
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've stated before... going from 14 bag belts to 6 is a major problem. The belts themselves are smaller (where the baggage handlers drop the bags off) so that will increase drop times.
Ok, you had 14 belts exclusive to certain airlines that were not all used, and you are going to six belts in a common use configuration. The belts will be used as needed, and sometimes multiple carriers on a single belt. If Delta brings in a CRJ-900 and United is offloading an A319... it will work.
This is a common trend throughout the industry, and combined with decreasing numbers of checked bags (thanks to ever growing bags fees), the capacity will be fine. They ran the configuration through the CAST models and even at the 2030 demand levels the new configuration is more than enough. Reference the 2013 Master Plan report.
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There is no 'breezeway' system for airport workers to get connecting bags from one side of a concourse to the other without having to go all the way around the concourse.
This is inconvenient, certainly. For the Southwest rampers they will have to drive the baggage cart to the other side of the terminal, tough shite. In CY 2018 of the 6.7 million revenue enplaned passengers, a whopping 290K connected through MSY... it will be a minor inconvenience.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:54 am to doubleb
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they should build their own interstate interchange and not rely on the state
You think a city should foot the bill for an interstate project?
Walk me through this logic.Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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of people who will have to deal with the traffic and logistical clusterfricker just living or traveling tangent to this boondoggle
My office is close to the airport. They are projecting such a clusterfrick when it opens that we are looking to move our facility somewhere else. It's insane that they decided to build an airport without an understanding of how to get people in and out of it.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:39 am to LNCHBOX
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You think a city should foot the bill for an interstate project? Walk me through this logic.
Not a city but the parish. EBR is doing it now because the state wouldn’t.
Look at the Pecue interchange on I 10 which is being built as part of the Greenlight Plan and now MovEBR.
It is to facilitate access to the new Woman’s Hospital.
I don’t see any difference in the two projects do you?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:41 am to doubleb
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Look at the Pecue interchange on I 10 which is being built as part of the Greenlight Plan and now MovEBR.
It is to facilitate access to the new Woman’s Hospital.
I don’t see any difference in the two projects do you?
You don't see the difference in providing access to an international airport compared to a hospital? Not much point in carrying this discussion further.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:55 am to SM6
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because you are ignorant.
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The O&M costs of operating a 40+ year old facility are quite significant. Concourse A was shuttered as soon as they could move US to C because of the maintenance issues. The core terminal (pre-security) is also facing a lot of deferred maintenance. A new facility will not have the same scope of maintenance work from the start.
Doesn't matter they will spend it. Anyone that proposes the that operating budget of the NOLA Aviation budget will go down should not be calling anyone ignorant. quote:
Let's try to break it down.
Old terminal-three checkpoints that had to be staffed regardless of hourly demand at each terminal.
New terminal- one massive checkpoint that is staffed continuously.
Somehow, even if it helps, this is suppose to be worth $1.3 billion??? You have no concept of cost and benefit. I guarantee you they will not employ fewer TSA agents. Let me know when they announce the layoffs that will result from this contrived efficiency you predict.
quote:A is consuming unused space and could have easily been used to make any changes you could dream up.
A is boarded up and where would you move security? into that tight space between the Saints store and the vertical circulation corridor?
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Let me help you find the logic.
Most of the bonds will be serviced by passenger fees.
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lf if you don't think that the concessions at MSY are a joke relative to its other medium hub (FAA designation) peers.
Give us an example.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:57 am to LNCHBOX
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You don't see the difference in providing access to an international airport compared to a hospital? Not much point in carrying this discussion further.
I do, the folks with the international airport should be able to afford the infrastructure improvements easier than the folks with the hospital.
Neither project was in the state’s highway program, but one gets state funding over all the other more critical projects. It’s all politics.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 10:01 am to doubleb
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I do, the folks with the international airport should be able to afford the infrastructure improvements easier than the folks with the hospital.
What about all the folks from all over the region that use said airport? They just got to benefit without paying anything? Or would you like to make the claim that the only Louisianians that use the airport are from NOLA?
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Neither project was in the state’s highway program, but one gets state funding over all the other more critical projects.
Just curious, but what are your credentials for deciding what is critical?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 10:01 am to I B Freeman
If the flying public of Louisiana was going to have to spend a billion dollars on a new airport terminal they should have spent it in Baton Rouge so MSY would have more competition.
It is nothing to argue about now.
You people have what you wanted from the public---a new airport terminal that is not open--political spending that you are no doubt benefitting from.
You supported this failure and the people that advanced it.
Nothing any of you have posted will convince me it was worthwhile spending particularly when one considers the alternatives that were available.
If every benefit speculated about in this thread comes true it will not have been worth the money.
It is nothing to argue about now.
You people have what you wanted from the public---a new airport terminal that is not open--political spending that you are no doubt benefitting from.
You supported this failure and the people that advanced it.
Nothing any of you have posted will convince me it was worthwhile spending particularly when one considers the alternatives that were available.
If every benefit speculated about in this thread comes true it will not have been worth the money.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 10:15 am
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