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re: New Orleans’ new airport terminal opening delayed to fall 2019
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:13 am to cahoots
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:13 am to cahoots
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Well, yeah, the public pays for everything on the planet in some way
But it's not tax dollars is the point
That’s why I said to a lesser extent tax dollars.
Some here make it seem as if the airlines are paying for everything when that’s really not how it really works.
But like I said this is an Orleans Parish deal and they can do as they please. I don’t live there and I have options to use BR Metro or Lafayette.
For the record I prefer MSY and probably will continue to use it. I have nothing against their airport.
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Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:13 am to I B Freeman
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I suspect the service level will not improve with this massive investment.
I'm sure if this was being built in BR your expectations would be vastly different,.eh little guy?
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 11:14 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:19 am to Hangover Haven
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New Orleans being New Orleans
Don't you mean," Chocolate City?"
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:22 am to Revelator
And now the tards show up to add quality to the discussion
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
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I have always felt that a toll could have worked here. While I maintain this is the state's responsibility, I would not have cared if the flyover ramp / connection was tolled.
I agree that it’s the state’s responsibility. But so is the 14 Billion dollar backlog that the state has.
So why fund this project over all the others? Others that are more critical imho.
It’s all politics. That’s why.
EBR tried for state funding of the Pecue project and couldn’t get it. We voted to do it ourselves.
Orleans should have planned better. Yes a toll road would be one solution, but the solution should have been provided ten years ago.
Orleans rushed ahead. Now they have an airport with poor accessibility ready to open and are counting on the state to bail them out at a time when the state lacks funds.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:24 am to notiger1997
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And now the tards show up to add quality to the discussion
Yes, it was a retarded thing for Nagan to say.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:25 am to Mr Perfect
friggin Michigan loving boy talking about Louisiana spending.
I never advocated for the investment in Baton Rouge either. I simply stated that if we had to spend it then it would have been better spent in terms of service to Louisiana travelers had it been used to upgrade Baton Rouge's airport to compete with MSY.
I never advocated for the investment in Baton Rouge either. I simply stated that if we had to spend it then it would have been better spent in terms of service to Louisiana travelers had it been used to upgrade Baton Rouge's airport to compete with MSY.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:25 am to Mr Perfect
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'm sure if this was being built in BR your expectations would be vastly different,.eh little guy?
BR Metro is a nice little airport, but it doesn’t offer near the services that MSY does.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 12:15 pm to I B Freeman
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Somehow, even if it helps, this is suppose to be worth $1.3 billion??? You have no concept of cost and benefit. I guarantee you they will not employ fewer TSA agents. Let me know when they announce the layoffs that will result from this contrived efficiency you predict.
Yes, one single benefit is supposed to offset a $1.3B investment. Now I just think you are a troll.
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Most of the bonds will be serviced by passenger fees.
The term you are looking for is Passenger Facility Charge (PFC), a $4.50 levy on every passenger flight segment. This is already being collected on every passenger.
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A is consuming unused space and could have easily been used to make any changes you could dream up.
That is going to cost money, add it to the list of renovations, maintenance, and other refurbishments needed if they didn't build the new terminal.
I also forgot to mention another benefit of the updated concessions. The top three nonaeronautical revenue sources at an airport are parking, concessions, and rental car (CFC) charges. Increased concessions spend generated by better options will help to offset airline costs. I imagine current spend is well below industry average due to the absolute shite current options.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 12:24 pm to Ed Osteen
Ain't that the truth!
Posted on 4/12/19 at 12:38 pm to SM6
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Yes, one single benefit is supposed to offset a $1.3B investment. Now I just think you are a troll.
Nope---all the benefits combined you and others have mentioned will not be worth the money.
How naive can you be to say well we are going to have more places to eat, fewer TSA gates and new stuff and it is worth it to the flying public???? Anybody that wants to eat in the airport does already. Fewer TSA checkpoints mean nothing to the traveling public--faster TSA lines do to some extent and that is why I paid $85 for TSA pre check and I cannot remember a time I spent more than 5 minutes in line at TSA pre at MSY. How are you going to do better than that? You should review the absolute nightmare Denver had for years with their "efficient new baggage handling" the spending proponents touted.
These are things you own as a supporter.
I know you are proud of progress thus far.
How much money have you made on the boondoggle?
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 12:42 pm to I B Freeman
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Anybody that wants to eat in the airport does already.
I sometimes do, but am usually disgusted by the offerings, so choose not to.
I would certainly agree that changing that situation is not worth anything close to $1.3 billion, though.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 1:18 pm to cahoots
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Those sales result in more tax dollars.
Yeah, Louisiana politicians can really be trusted to spend those tax dollars wisely...
Posted on 4/12/19 at 1:22 pm to I B Freeman
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Fewer TSA checkpoints mean nothing to the traveling public--faster TSA lines do to some extent and that is why I paid $85 for TSA pre check and I cannot remember a time I spent more than 5 minutes in line at TSA pre at MSY. How are you going to do better than that?
Two things:
1. You really need to read up on queueing theory.
2. I have precheck and have waited 15+ min before. Enough to make me recall the incident. However, the bulk of pax still don’t have precheck. So the general tourist passenger will move quicker through a unified checkpoint.
The airport is the first and last impression for 90+% of the growing convention goers and tourists. I’m not 100% sold on the need for the new terminal, but to act like the current terminal just needs some paint or a renovated A concourse and it’s good to go is naive.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 2:19 pm to Golfer
Lot of short sided opinions in this thread. While MSY, doesn’t currently support a large volume of connecting flights, the only real way to accomplish that is through a facility that is designed to do so.
DAL has roughly 2 million more enplanements than MSY per year. Only has 20 gates, majority of the traffic is Southwest, has one central security checkpoint. For an airport that size, the food options are fantastic.
Again, it isn’t about where MSY is today and what could be done to change the airport to support CURRENT traffic, it’s about having the vision to build something to get where you want to go as far as facilities and passenger traffic are concerned.
DAL has roughly 2 million more enplanements than MSY per year. Only has 20 gates, majority of the traffic is Southwest, has one central security checkpoint. For an airport that size, the food options are fantastic.
Again, it isn’t about where MSY is today and what could be done to change the airport to support CURRENT traffic, it’s about having the vision to build something to get where you want to go as far as facilities and passenger traffic are concerned.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:13 pm to DCtiger1
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Lot of short sided opinions in this thread
You are correct and here is one:
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DAL has roughly 2 million more enplanements than MSY per year. Only has 20 gates, majority of the traffic is Southwest, has one central security checkpoint
The Dallas metroplex is roughly 150% of the population of the State of Louisiana. Your contention that somehow we "change the airport" to accomplish some "vision" you have that MSY would equate with Dallas in terms of being a hub or in air traffic is just stupid. (BTW the new terminal has no more capacity than the old.)
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:16 pm to Golfer
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1. You really need to read up on queueing theory.
I took 35 fights out of MSY last year according to my SWA account.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:36 pm to I B Freeman
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I took 35 fights out of MSY last year according to my SWA account.
And what does that have to do with queuing theory? In particular, the single queue - multi server model/theory.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:41 pm to DCtiger1
I got in trouble for comparing BR to New Orleans. Now you go and compare Dallas metro to New Orleans Metro. Watch out now.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:42 pm to Golfer
Why do folks keep going back to Vegas?
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