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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
You are just pulling out the inside part. Smokers still have a choice. Just because it isn't inside, doesn't mean you don't have a choice. You said that non-smokers had a choice before. Go to a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar. Don't try and manipulate the scenario. Smokers can go to a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar. The only thing that has changed is where at in the bar you smoke. And don't try and say that if it is outside of the building, that it isn't the bar. The bar is the whole establishment, and this includes the outside part.
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's intellectual dishonesty
This thread has tons of that.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:17 pm to LordSaintly
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I thought this was America
Native American Casinos you can smoke because you are not in America.
So the "real America" is actually on Indian Reservations and not in America itself
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:18 pm to iwasthere
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Smokers can go to a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar. The only thing that has changed is where at in the bar you smoke. And don't try and say that if it is outside of the building, that it isn't the bar. The bar is the whole establishment, and this includes the outside part.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:18 pm to Salmon
No. My point is I don't give a particular rats arse about this one when there is a myriad of other laws that are far worse that have sat there for years but people put up with freely.
I would prefer total liberty in reality. Allow smoking allow all illicit acts and allow adults to be adults and businesses to do what they want. I just don't see how this new law is so much bigger than all the other BS that people just let slide by.
I would prefer total liberty in reality. Allow smoking allow all illicit acts and allow adults to be adults and businesses to do what they want. I just don't see how this new law is so much bigger than all the other BS that people just let slide by.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:18 pm to iwasthere
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Don't try and manipulate the scenario.
Smokers do not have a smoking bar option to go to now.
Before the option laid with the business owner, some were smoke free some weren't, now they have no option.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:18 pm to Hammertime
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Pretty sure the bars I frequent won't follow the ban. They'd lose 95% of their customers. If you're not gonna let me smoke in/around your bar, I won't come to your bar. Simple
This...other than mine is 70%
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to Tiger in NY
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Sorry you don't like majority rule.
quote:ahh, makes sense
Tiger in NY
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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aye, comrade
you get my point. every town and city in America has ordinances that affect how businesses are run.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to Catman88
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My point is I don't give a particular rats arse about this one when there is a myriad of other laws that are far worse that have sat there for years but people put up with freely
Complacency. You have been won over. Just lay down and let the laws hold you as you go to bed.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is about businesses making that choice on their own property
It's a public health issue. Honestly it shouldn't be their choice
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to JETigER
So the only place I know of in Louisiana where I previously could gamble smoke free was not in America. Interesting.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:19 pm to Hammertime
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If you're not gonna let me smoke in/around your bar, I won't come to your bar. Simple as that
Lose one smoker, gain five non-smokers. You people don't realize how many people DONT go to bars because of the smoke.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to Hammertime
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If you're not gonna let me smoke in/around your bar, I won't come to your bar. Simple as that
I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this.
If every bar in the state was non-smoking, are you telling me you wouldn't go to a single bar? Or that you would drive across the LA border to go to a bar?
I get that if there were smoking bars and non-smoking bars, you would choose the former over the latter. But if the choices were a non-smoking bar and no bar at all, you'd pick the former.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to fightin tigers
i feel sorry for people who live near bars like Snake & Jakes. 90% of the patrons will now be hanging out in your streets.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to iwasthere
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You are just pulling out the inside part.
because that's the part that is subject to this discussion
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Smokers still have a choice
not to choose a bar where they can smoke inside
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Just because it isn't inside, doesn't mean you don't have a choice.
they don't have a choice of bars to smoke inside
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You said that non-smokers had a choice before
they do. a bar where smoke is allowed inside or a bar that doesn't allow smoke inside
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Don't try and manipulate the scenario.
i'm not. i'm talking about the issue: smoking inside of bars. that is the issue because that is what was outlawed
you're manipulating the scenario to compare apples to oranges in a "aw shucks see there is no real difference" move, when it's a logical failure and intellectual dishonesty. that's why i have to keep pointing it out
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The only thing that has changed is where at in the bar you smoke.
and in the vast majority of bars, that's the only place you can smoke (inside the bar)
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to chillygentilly
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LaToya Cantrell also held up a picture of Dorothy Mae Taylor at today's vote. That will be sure to rustle some jimmies here.
If she's so worried about health, she should find a big mirror, and take a look at herself.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to Lester Earl
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It's a public health issue. Honestly it shouldn't be their choice
A lot of NFL players have serious health issues resulting from the hits they take. Should they not have an option to play?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:20 pm to Winkface
I have a hard time believing this will be enforced at Snake N Jakes, Maes and La Bon Temps at 5am.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:21 pm to fightin tigers
I had a personal impact of having Alcohol Sales allowed in Walker on Sundays.
How many laws have you tried to change?
Im the one that's complacent?
How many laws have you tried to change?
Im the one that's complacent?
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