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re: New JFK Assaination Records Released
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:56 pm to Jake88
Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:56 pm to Jake88
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Why would any conspirator do such a sloppy job
Don’t you see, if it were TOO GOOD, it wouldn’t be obvious enough to scare the public. The conspiracy has to be just sloppy enough to demonstrate what they are capable of but good enough to get away with it.
It’s a fine balancing act.
“Quick, lay this bullet on Connelly’s stretcher.”
“Wait, this is a little too prestine. Shouldn’t there be markings?”
“You’re right, add rifling.”
“But would about deformities?”
“Look, what’s the point of a good conspiracy if you cover your tracks TOO WELL?”
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 12:58 pm to troyt37
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There is an autopsy xray of Kennedy's head with hundreds of fragments, so the bullet had to fragment upon entry.
Bullet fragments or bone fragments?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:01 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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A Nobel Prize Winning physicist, Luis Alvarez, tested this on a watermelon using the same rifle and determined that a backwards head jerk was totally consistent with a shot from the back
This guy thinks otherwise
LINK
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:01 pm to DomincDecoco
I lean heavily towards the Oswald acted alone camp, but I am mostly undecided.
Americans don’t want to believe that a lone nobody can take out the president.
JFK was a good movie though.
Americans don’t want to believe that a lone nobody can take out the president.
JFK was a good movie though.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:04 pm to Kcrad
The key fact to prove some sort of conspiracy occurred involves George de Mohrenschildt. It is undeniable that he was a CIA asset. It is undeniable that he was “friends” with Oswald prior to the assassination. It is undeniable that he got LHO a job at the Texas School Book Depository. Because of this I am convinced a conspiracy occurred. I am also convinced Oswald is a shooter , not sure if there was more than one. I am also convinced that at least some faction of the CIA was involved. The WC did not receive evidence of George’s history as a contractor with the CIA. Dulles sat on the WC and knew of it, but it was never discussed. LHO and George died before anyone can talk to them about the nature of their relationship and communications. George committed suicide just before speaking with the House Select Committee.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:05 pm to upgrade
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Bullet fragments or bone fragments?
Supposedly bullet fragments. The picture I saw could easily have been bullshite, but the fragments were very bright on the xray. I suck at posting pictures, but I'll see if I can find it and post a link.
ETA: Maybe what I saw was BS. The internet isn't showing me anything like what I saw.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:10 pm to MikeD
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A red herring I heard that points to LHO being involved with CIA
The most direct involvement of the CIA that one can tie to Oswald is George de Mohrenshildt. Everything about the year in Dallas leading up to 11-22 indicates that de Mohrenshildt was guiding Oswald's path, introducing him to Ruth Paine, who took in Marina and their child, allowed Oswald to use a garage, and arranged for the job at the book depository.
De Mohrenshildt had worked for Prescott Bush, met HW Bush in the 1940's, met Jacqueline Bouvier in the 1940's, worked with William Buckley's family in the 1950's, and claimed that Oswald did not shoot JFK. De Mohrenshildt believed that Texas oil businessmen in conjunction with the CIA (same crew, really) executed the plan, and that he was used by the cabal to set Oswald up as a patsy.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:14 pm to DomincDecoco
CIA was working with organized crime back when it was the OSS during WW2. Primarily to prevent espionage/sabotage being conducted through docks.
This partnership continued much further and the CIA used their criminal contacts to conduct operations on home soil due to the provisions in the CIA's inception. If you follow the events around Oswald, he was on the CIA's radar due to his contact with the KGB. The operation of the actual assassination is similar to a lot of CIA assassinations during the Cold War, but all of the people who had any ties to the plot were either involved in espionage or organized crime at some level.
This is just one of the times in American history where the curtain was thrown aside for a glimpse of how the world actually works.
This partnership continued much further and the CIA used their criminal contacts to conduct operations on home soil due to the provisions in the CIA's inception. If you follow the events around Oswald, he was on the CIA's radar due to his contact with the KGB. The operation of the actual assassination is similar to a lot of CIA assassinations during the Cold War, but all of the people who had any ties to the plot were either involved in espionage or organized crime at some level.
This is just one of the times in American history where the curtain was thrown aside for a glimpse of how the world actually works.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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He got the job at TSBR via his landlady who referred him to the manager of said TSBR. Why has there never been any shred of evidence of either being involved? Both would have to be CIA assets, right?
the parade route was approved by the USSS 11/16/63 and published in the newspaper Nov 21, 1963
this route included the hard left turn from Houston onto Elm Street that caused the motorcade to practically stop in front of the TSBD, turn left and then proceed down the Hill to the freeway
for security purposes, this route was a terrible choice as the Dal-Tex Building and the TSBD were right on top of the parade route and were unsecured by the USSS before the parade
why would LHO be told beforehand he was going to be the patsy if he was indeed the patsy? I definitely believe he was a co-conspirator
I believe LHO was a former CIA asset that was conveniently in the right place at the wrong time. He brought the gun to the TSBD that day (the curtain rods) for what he thought was someone else to use
I believe JFK was shot at first with a .223 from the Dal-Tex Building, the bullet through the throat that caused him to reach for his neck
I dont believe the Oswald rifle was even shot that day but was planted
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:17 pm to DomincDecoco
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Where do you stand....single bullet? two shooters? CIA? Castro?? Mob?
Two shooters. LHO and one of the secret service agents by accident. I think the reason this has always looked like a conspiracy is because of the coverup for the secret service agent.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:17 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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prestine
please stop typing this...thx
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:21 pm to michael corleone
The report by the WC was a huge steaming pile of shite.
That's enough to convince me that there was a conspiracy.
Who the conspiring parties were? That's a whole other question.
That's enough to convince me that there was a conspiracy.
Who the conspiring parties were? That's a whole other question.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:23 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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jerk was totally consistent with a shot from the back.
It may be - but I always thought it was interesting if you watch the film - the people look to their right when the final shot(s) is fired - TSBD would be to their left. Usually people look towards where the/a sound is coming from - maybe the sound ricocheted from the overpass but I don’t think so
Easy shot would’ve been to get jfk as he approaches the book depository - why wait? There had to be other shooters stationed elsewhere.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:25 pm to lsu13lsu
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wo shooters. LHO and one of the secret service agents by accident. I think the reason this has always looked like a conspiracy is because of the coverup for the secret service agent.
^This.... all the stuff I've seen and the evidence supporting this scenario is the most logical.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:26 pm to dkreller
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Who the conspiring parties were? That's a whole other question.
You'll never get an official ruling on this. Just follow who benefited the most and the least from this exchange of power.
You have two societies (USA/USSR) deadlocked in a cold war. Who benefits from this?
Not you or I, and ultimately that understanding by two world leaders on both sides of the fence would have resulted in trillions of world currency not being directly funneled into the military machines of both sides.
Two level-headed heads of state could have ended the Cold War.
Fear of war is more effective than nuclear war at pilfering the publics coffers to embrace a lavish lifestyle for those on the take.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:27 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Easy shot would’ve been to get jfk as he approaches the book depository - why wait? There had to be other shooters stationed elsewhere.
Perhaps LHO wanted to wait until the motorcade was heading down Elm Street to the overpass before sticking his head out the window with his gun?.
If he sticks his head out the window with his gun aimed at the president as he approaches the depository, all the secret service agents would have had to do would be to look up and see (and potentially get a good description) of LHO right off the bat.
Edit: Waiting for the motorcade to make the turn onto Elm Street allows LHO to hide most of his body and the gun (except the barrel), thereby concealing him better.
I head on shot as the motorcade approaches exposes LHO more.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:29 pm to GreenRockTiger
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why wait?
TRIANGULAR CROSSFIRE
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:36 pm to DomincDecoco
to comply with President Joe Biden’s Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies on the Temporary Certification Regarding Disclosure of Information in Certain Records Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy,
----this president proving again that he has nothing important to do
----this president proving again that he has nothing important to do
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:38 pm to FlyingTiger1955
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if the Mob wanted to kill Oswald, they wouldn’t use a halfwit like Ruby.
Ruby's bar in Dallas was supported by the mob, he was dying of cancer anyway, plus he owed the mob. Why wouldn't they use a halfwit like Ruby or Oswald?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:38 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Perhaps LHO wanted to wait until the motorcade was heading down Elm Street to the overpass before sticking his head out the window with his gun?.
If they were going the correct speed (20 mph) then LHO wouldn’t have had a shot at all.
Since they didn’t but they driver decided to slow down after the first shot, because he thought a car backfired (?), LHO was able to even get more shots in
Plus, how can you identify a person when half of his face is behind a scope and in the corner of a window?
The fbi/cia knew who they were going to identify anyway - LHO might not have even been on the 6th floor - kind of ironic he gets a job at the depository just a few weeks before
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:41 pm
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